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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.EDU (Muffy Barkocy)
- Subject: Re: Net discussion styles and gender
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- Date: 21 Dec 92 23:42:04 GMT
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- <Bz02o0.2IC@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> <1give7INNp8@agate.berkeley.edu>
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- In article <1give7INNp8@agate.berkeley.edu> bickis@skmath3.usask.ca (M. Bickis) writes:
- [about replies to this posting:]
- >>>A few months ago I received a lot of flak for raising the
- >>>possibility that the essence of gender differences was that
- >>>masculine=agressive, feminine=nurturing. Now I see many postings,
- >>>mostly from women, which suggest that the male style of net-talk is
- >>>argumentative, "point-counterpoint" whereas the female style is
- >>>more supportive and sharing. Is my earlier hypothesis then
- >>>vindicated?
-
- >1) The difference is good, and should be preserved.
- >2) The difference is bad, and should be eliminated.
- >3) The difference is merely a fact, and has no moral bearing.
-
- >1) and 2) could be further specified by asking whether it is good or bad
- >for the individual, or for society generally.
-
- >On the agression/nurture question, though, I lean toward 1) for
- >reasons that I have already discussed, and will not repeat. Let me
- >just add that I believe these differences are good both for the
- >individual *and* society, but the social benefits seem to maintain
- >the stronger argument. It is this belief that prompted me talk about
- >myths and "ought"s which Janis and Anna appear to dislike.
-
- >The prevailing view in soc.feminism seems to be 2). I can certainly
- >support this if the differences relate to things like personal worth,
- >general respect, legal rights, social status, self-esteem etc.
-
- I don't think that you have actually covered all the options. The
- view that I see as being most prevalent here is:
-
- There is obviously a difference caused by society ("nurture"). This
- difference aids discrimination, since the styles encouraged in men are
- those which are valued in our society and the styles encouraged in
- women are not as valued. *This* is what is "bad" and "should be
- eliminated."
-
- I don't think that, if it *happens* that a woman, WITH NO SOCIETAL
- PRESSURE, turns out to be "nurturing," that that is "bad." However,
- that is not the current situation.
-
- What is also "bad" and "should be eliminated" is the CENSURE of women
- (and men!) who do *not* conform to the societally-defined roles.
-
- What the people in the discussion of discussion styles have been
- saying seems to have two components:
-
- 1) Regardless of the source of the difference, men and women have
- different discussion styles.
- 2) It is not actually true that the "male" discussion style is
- "better" than the "female" one, even though our society says that it
- is.
-
- Note that *no* combination of these says that society should *enforce*
- these differences, which is what you appeared to be saying in your
- earlier set of posts. Your "hypothesis" is simply a description of
- what society currently enforces.
-
- Muffy
-
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
-
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