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- Subject: Re: Five Swiss languages Was: Russian Speakers in Estonia
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- Date: 25 Dec 92 06:14:52 GMT
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- In article <PFEIFFER.92Dec22100213@cix.cict.fr>, pfeiffer@cict.fr (Daniel Pfeiffer) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec22.090407.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
- >>> And, do not forget, there are 3 languages in Switzerland, and
- >>> at least two of them were from previous oppressors (German and French).
-
- Are you saying that the Italians were not opprssors? Humf.. Most who know some
- swiss history know that it was the German Cantons who mostly started the Swiss
- Nation..
-
- >
- >> Four, if you add Rheto-Rhumainian (Reto-Romania). But it's judicial status
- >> might be different.
- >
- > This language is strongly protected, but slowly losing ground, because
- > there are no major towns or industry in its area. But there are
- > actually five languages, if you count Franco-Provencal (Romand). This
- > language, close to Occitanian of southern France, which is also spoken
- > in southern Burgundy, southern half of Franche-Comte, most of
- > Rhone-Alpes including Savoy and the Italian Valle-d'Aosta was branded
- > by Paris as a ``Patois'', a miserable dialect of French (which is
- > linguistically wrong), a blemish to get rid of! And the Romand cantons
- > fell for this and taught pure Paris French in their schools.
- >
- > Nowadays this language, which was the second by population in
- > Switzerland, is close to death, although some theatre and such
- > activity persists.
- >
- >> Besides, German was never a language of "oppressors" in Switzerland.
- >> In Bern German was spoken from the very beginning. The same goes to French
- >> in cantons like Valais/Wallis.
- >
- > Switzerland was not always the peaceful country it is since 1848, and
- > its agressions and extensions against neighbours often benefitted the
- > German (or Alemanic) speakers.
-