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- Path: sparky!uunet!psinntp!nysernet.org!gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
- From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
- Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
- Message-ID: <9212312147.AA18065@cyclone.sbi.com>
- Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
- Sender: scj@israel.nysernet.org
- Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
- Organization: Nysernet
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:51:33 GMT
- Lines: 33
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- dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:
-
- > 1) I am a British Jew. My homeland is Britain. The homeland of Swedish
- > Jews is Sweden, and so on. Exactly the same as for British and Swedish
- > Baptists, or Catholics. Judaism is a religion, not a nationality. Most
- > Jews live in the diaspora, and show no signs of moving - nor should
- > they. Their homeland is the country they are living in.
-
- Okay. Let's say we take your definition of homeland (which I don't),
- namely, one's homeland is the country in which one lives.
-
- > 2) Unfortunately what you call Eretz Yisreal has almost exactly the same
- > boundaries as historic Palestine. The Palestinians lived in it for
- > thirteen centuries, without doing Jews or anyone else any harm, and it
- > is their homeland. They have no other homeland. You are a settler - a
- > colonist - in another people's land.
-
- Based on your definition above, those Palestinians who do not currently
- reside in Israel, or Palestine or whatever you call it, cannot claim
- Palestine as their homeland. Using the same definition, those Jews,
- Arabs and anyone else living in Israel/Palestine can claim I/P as their
- homeland.
-
- The fact that Israel's borders are virtually identical to those of
- "historic Palestine" is meaningless. It just means that if a "historic
- Palestinian" were still around, he/she wouldn't have to relocate in order
- to call him/herself an Israeli.
-
- You also bring up the concept of a country. What exactly is that?
- And if the place in which one lives is not an official "country,"
- does that render it ineligible for homelandness?
-
- -Don Gertler
-