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- Path: sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!auvm!carian
- Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:09:41 EST
- From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
- Message-ID: <92363.180941CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
- Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
- Subject: Re: Conversion Question
- References: <9212282105.AA19834@cyclone.sbi.com>
- Lines: 43
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- In article <9212282105.AA19834@cyclone.sbi.com>, gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don
- Gertler) says:
- >
- >CARIAN@auvm.american.edu writes:
- >>
- >> The status quo accepts all converts. This was reaffirmed by the Israeli
- >> Supreme Court in 1988 or 1989 (the Shoshana Miller case). It is the
- >> Orthodox parties, and especially Chabad, that seeks to change the status
- >> quo. After all, the whole argument whenever it is raised is about amending
- >> the LoR to *exclude* non-O converts, not about amending it to *include*
- >> them.
- >
- >I understand the way the Law is currently implemented. What I was
- >meant in my (possibly erroneous) posting was that, originally, the
- >application of the LoR with respect to converts was de facto deferred
- >to the Israeli (Orthodox) Rabbinate. I did not mean to imply that this
- >was a requirement of the law, and certainly not that it was included
- >in the law's text. Just that this was the status quo.
- >
- Fair enough explanation. I honestly don't know the history here so I can't
- help out. Zalman Abramov's book "The Perpetual Dilemma" might be of some help
- in this question.
-
- >Was the Shoshana Miller case the first in which a non-Orthodox conversion
- >was at issue? If not, what happened in all other cases? And if so, were
- >no other non-O convert naturalizations ever attempted?
- >
- It was the first that went all the way to the Supreme Court for a final
- judgment. There was the Zeidman case in the early 70s but that one was made
- moot when then-Chief Rabbi Goren persuaded the claimant in that suit to
- undergo a quickie Orthodox conversion before the Court handed down its
- judgment.
-
- Subsequent to the Miller case there have been others. For a while when Rabbi
- Peretz was the Interior Minister he claimed the Miller case applied only to
- her and tried to force each and every non-O convert to go to the Supreme
- Court, but the Court issued a declaratory judgment and made him cut it out.
- As far as I know the LoR is being implemented as written for the moment.
-
- >-Don Gertler
-
- Rabbi Charles Arian
- CARIAN@american.edu
-