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- From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
- Subject: Re: L'Chaim 247
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.040547.9427@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
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- Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
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- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:05:47 GMT
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- > Every war ever waged was basically for power/money, except for one. The
- >war which the Greeks waged against the Jews over 2,000 years ago was waged
- >for oil. Olive oil to be exact.
- > It wasn't Jewish money the Greeks were after. Had they been after our
- >wealth, they would have emptied the Holy Temple. The furnishings of the
- >Holy Temple today would be valued in the tens of billions of dollars. But
- >the Greeks didn't strip the Holy Temple clean. They defiled it. They
- >offered pigs as sacrifices on the altar. They erected statues of their
- >gods and goddesses on the Temple grounds. And they opened the little
- >bottles of pure olive oil that were used daily to kindle the
- >seven-branched menora.
-
- Nonsense.
-
- If I steal your car, does it show that I didn't do so for material reasons
- just because after I took it I decided to drive it instead of sell it to
- someone else?
-
- Of course not. If I steal your car and I drive it, I don't have to pay
- a few thousand dollars to buy one and drive _it_ instead.
-
- That's what the Greeks did above. They took over the Temple and used it
- as a pagan temple. Had they built their own pagan temple, it would have cost
- them lots of money; by stealing the Temple and using it for such purposes,
- they avoided paying exactly that amount.
-
- > Weren't those Greeks dumb to leave the wealth but despoil the oil?
-
- They _didn't_ leave the wealth. They took it for themselves and used it.
- Just because they didn't physically cut pieces of gold out of the walls
- doesn't mean they didn't take it.
-
- If I throw you out of your house and decide to live in it instead, does
- that mean I didn't take your house because I didn't knock it down and use
- the materials elsewhere?
-
- > But oil is significant for another reason, a reason which gives us
- >additional insight into oil's message in our lives in general and the
- >Chanuka miracle in particular.
- > Oil, like wine, symbolizes the secrets of Torah, the mystical aspects
- >of Judaism. These formerly hidden concepts are becoming more revealed as
-
- A reason which makes me doubtful. The Greeks did not know that oil has this
- symbolism when they decided to choose oil to defile. If the symbolism is
- anything other than coincidence, who chose it? Is it supposed to be a miracle
- that the Greeks picked the one substance that would have a nice symbolism?
- --
- "the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
- the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
- disposed of." -- K. Eric Drexler
-
- Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
-