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- From: bfoo_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Brian E. Foont)
- Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 02:17:52 GMT
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- >Brody herem of 1772(?)
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- When I was in England last year I asked the head of the United Synagogue
- Beis Din whether the cheremim against the Hasidim were still in effect.
- His answer were definitely NO. In addition, his reasoning was that a
- cherem is not made indefintely, even Rav Gershom's cherem would run out
- if it had not become standard practive. A cherem can be terminated
- by the person against whom it has been placed changes their ways. The
- Hassidim are quite different from what they were when the Cherem was placed.
- It was placed because in the words of the Vilna Goan, "Torah would be lost
- in Israel," i.e. they were not studying Torah, but rather telling stories
- of the "Tzadikim." This is not longer the case, while stories of the
- tzadikim are still told, there is emphasis on Torah and Talmud study.
-
- >other than Rav Shacht that Habad is heretical (kofar b'ikor).
-
- This is also the "Rav" that stated, "Given the opportunity he would strike
- Rabbi Scheerson down with a sword." Given this, his distain for Chabad is
- just that, only against Chabad. He has not said anything about the other
- groups of Chasidim being under Cherem. Thus, if it were the fact that
- Chasidim have Rebbes they would all be banned, this is not the case.
-
- >
- >Norman Miller
- >
-
- While I do not agree with the idea of having a rebbe, even mitnagdim have the
- idea of having a rabbi, they get it from Pirke Avos, "Make for yourself
- a Rabbi." We must be careful to judge the value they place on their
- rebbes. As I see it the idea of the rebbe being a conduit is not quite
- accurate, rather the rebbe is seen as the leader in all areas of life.
-
- I can see the flames coming already.
-
- Brian E. Foont
- bfoo_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
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- My opinions are my own, but you may share them.
-