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- From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
- Subject: Re: Sati and Gita (Re:Sati system because of Islam (Gita's Teachings)).
- Message-ID: <C07CpB.J19@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
- Organization: University of Waterloo
- References: <1992Dec23.211702.7490@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> <Bzy4ny.73J@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> <1992Dec28.140324.45928@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:12:46 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.140324.45928@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
- >In article <Bzy4ny.73J@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
- >>(C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
- >>...... (deleted)..............
- >> In Tamil Nadu, there were many communities where widow re-marriage
- >> or even divorce are not prohibited. Therefore Iswar Chandra
- >> Vidyasagar can not be said to have 'instituted' widow remarriage.
- >>
- >> In Salem District in Tamil Nadu certain communities allow
- >> 'thumu aruppu' ( = breaking the bond) which lets a woman to
- >> divorce a present husband and remarry another and this is done
- >> in a Ur ManRam ( Panjayat) where the two parties present their cases
- >> and some period of separation is allowed before finally deciding
- >> on the divorce. In ThirunelvEli District in Tamil Nadu, there
- >> are some communities which practice 'aruththu kattu' ( break
- >> the bond and form a new bond). These are used for divorce and
- >> for widow remarriages although infrequently resorted to.
- >>
- >
- >
- > I am *not* denying with what you said. The history books, that have
- > been fortunately preserved and have been judged by most to be unbiased,
- > record that it *was* Vidyasagar who instituted the Hindu Widow Marriage
- > Act in 1860's formed a movement in Bengal on this issue. However, one
- > must accept that Vidyasagar *did* draw examples from other Hindu societies
- > contemporary/ ancient. In fact, Vidyasagar did know that in Southern
- > India, in certain societies, *not all*, this form of divorce and marriage
- > was prevalent. (But I do not recall whether it was specifically *widow
- > marriage* that he referred to. Though, I will give benefit of doubt to
- > your chauvinism.) The main credit of Viduasagar, and, although you maybe
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- > hell-bent to rob him of this credit, is to cite all the examples, form an
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Deb, please read my response carefully. If I point out some
- practices in South India why should it become a chauvanism ?!
- Please let me know how you came to the conclusion that I am
- hell-bent to ROB him of this credit. I thought he might not have been
- the FIRST person to have INSTITUTED this practice. I am perfectly
- aware that he did yeomen service to this cause. In fact I do have
- great respect for Iswar Chandra Vidyasagar and Raja Rammohan Roy.
- I wonder when our SCIers will learn to talk and discuss with balance!
-
- > organization and make it into a law that finally has been
- > constitutionalized. (All this efforts he *did alone* unlike our charming
- > religious gurus, commies etc.)
- >
- > Furthermore, people like yourself should read more before trying to
- > denigrate others. In fact, quoting examples from South Indian societies
- > is *not* necessary. In West Bengal, in the Chotanagpur district, the
- > tribals had this custom. The point that Vidyasagar raised was that: are
- > these tribals not Hindus, etc. and etc. - making it conspicuous that there
- > should be an uniform law for women from *all* strata of the society. FYI,
- > Vidyasagar was not a politician - who cared only for his own vested
- > interests. Thus, if you carefully read all his correspondences with the
- > British Raj, you will see that he refers to the other Hindu societies
- > elsewhere outside Bengal - who *did have* this practice.
- >
- >
- >> -Selva
- >
- > - deb chatterjee
- > (a good samaritan)
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- -Selva
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