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- From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
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- Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
- Date: 22 Dec 1992 00:00:48 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.134731.5583@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec17.182626.722@cm.cf.ac.uk> Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk (Robert Evans) writes:
- >>|> Actually, considering when they were claimed by England, virtually
- >>|> all these countries, with the exception of the far Eastern/Pacific
- >>|> dominions, had an Elizabeth I, including Canada and everything in the
- >>|> Western hemisphere...except Jamaica and Belize, I believe.
- >>|>
- >>|> Chris the Smartass Imperial Historian
- >>|> `
- >>
- >>What do you mean "claimed by England"? England isn't a state and hasn't
- >>been since 1707. How can it claim overseas territory? It doesn't have a
- >>government or any national body that could make such a claim on its behalf.
- >>Elizabeth of England (aka Elizabeth I) was Queen in the 16th Century before
- >>most of those territories were "discovered".
- >>
- >>--
- >> Robert Evans, Department of Computing Mathematics,
- >> University of Wales College of Cardiff, Wales, UK. +44 (0)222 874000 x 5518
- >> Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk (FAX) +44 (0)222 666182
- >
- >I notice you are a professor of Maths. That's nice. But that also indicates
- >that you have no actual study of English history.
- >All the islands mentioned WERE claimed by England in the 1580's and
- >1590's by Elizabeth I.
-
- Since no permanent settlement was made anywhere outside of the
- British Isles (except for the Somers' Islands, I think), until the
- reign of James I & VI, this happens not to be the case.
-
-
-
- >As England has not been a state since 1707 whatever precluded it from
- >doing so in 1580? And if these islands were indeed undiscovered how
- >was it that the Irish rebels of Tyrone's Revolt were sent to Barbados
- >specifically in 1601 as sugar plantation slaves?
-
- Fascinating. And here I'd always thought that Barbados was settled
- in the 1620s, and didn't become a sugar producer for more than a
- decade after settlement.
-
-
- >This is all to be found in the archives of the British state papers.
-
- I'd love to see your source for the above assertion.
-
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