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- From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
- Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.134731.5583@newstand.syr.edu>
- Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
- References: <1992Dec12.033652.688@fwi.uva.nl> <1992Dec14.163027.3496@newstand.syr.edu> <1992Dec17.182626.722@cm.cf.ac.uk>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:47:31 EST
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- In article <1992Dec17.182626.722@cm.cf.ac.uk> Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk (Robert Evans) writes:
- >|> Actually, considering when they were claimed by England, virtually
- >|> all these countries, with the exception of the far Eastern/Pacific
- >|> dominions, had an Elizabeth I, including Canada and everything in the
- >|> Western hemisphere...except Jamaica and Belize, I believe.
- >|>
- >|> Chris the Smartass Imperial Historian
- >|> `
- >
- >What do you mean "claimed by England"? England isn't a state and hasn't
- >been since 1707. How can it claim overseas territory? It doesn't have a
- >government or any national body that could make such a claim on its behalf.
- >Elizabeth of England (aka Elizabeth I) was Queen in the 16th Century before
- >most of those territories were "discovered".
- >
- >--
- > Robert Evans, Department of Computing Mathematics,
- > University of Wales College of Cardiff, Wales, UK. +44 (0)222 874000 x 5518
- > Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk (FAX) +44 (0)222 666182
-
- I notice you are a professor of Maths. That's nice. But that also indicates
- that you have no actual study of English history.
- All the islands mentioned WERE claimed by England in the 1580's and
- 1590's by Elizabeth I.
- As England has not been a state since 1707 whatever precluded it from
- doing so in 1580? And if these islands were indeed undiscovered how
- was it that the Irish rebels of Tyrone's Revolt were sent to Barbados
- specifically in 1601 as sugar plantation slaves?
- This is all to be found in the archives of the British state papers.
- If you desire historical grounding please consult Stephen Saunders
- Webb, "The Governors-General" (1984).
-
- Chris
-
-