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- From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
- Subject: Re: Is Microsoft the next
- References: <1992Dec31.161210.1218@rose.com> <1993Jan3.092308.13063@umr.edu> <93Jan03.221000.20637@acs.ucalgary.ca>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:54:56 GMT
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- In article <93Jan03.221000.20637@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan3.092308.13063@umr.edu> ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) writes:
- >
- >Stuff about medical system in Canada. I wonder what this got to do
- >with comp.os.os2.advocacy... So, see the follow-up line,
- >redirected to soc.culture.canada.
-
- Well, ok, my knee jerked, and I got in over my head.
-
- *munches on a plate of crow*
-
- But I will answer a coupla things...
-
- >Wrong. Canada is quite decentralized. Probably more than the
- >US. Furthermore, the average population of the Canadian province is less
- >than half the average state population in the US. Furthermore, medical
- >care fall within the *provincial* responsibility.
-
- Ok. I was thinking more in terms of parliamentary systems vs. republics,
- but, you win.
-
- >
- >> It's designed to be inefficient. Unfortunately,
- >>that means socialized health care in the US would cost oh, so much more.
- >
- >I won't argue with your claim that the US government may be designed
- >to be less efficient than the Canadian one. I wonder why one would
- >want to *design* a governement to be inefficient, though. As for
- >the result, you probably know better than I do :-)..
-
- The idea was to prevent the rapid spread of tyranny.
-
- Didn't work, did it? :(
-
- >Two more points: in the Canadian system, health care is provided by *private*,
- >non-government medical organizations. It's merely the *insurance* business
- >that's run by the provinces.
- >
- >And you can have universal, governement-garanteed health care entirely
- >run by private organizations, and even have them compete against each
- >other.
-
- Sort of. Except the US Government always seems to make a mess
- of even the best ideas. Social security, for example. Oh, sure,
- let's borrow from the surplus to fight wars in Korea and Vietnam!
-
- Idjits.
-
- *sigh* Well, we elected them, didn't we? :(
-
- >It seems to me that the major problem of medical costs in the US is
- >that it's in effect a monopoly totally controlled by the medical
- >profession, that over the last twelve years has transformed itself
- >from what was then a bunch of individual practitioners with a traditional
- >sense of medical values, into corporate medical organizations purely
- >profit-driven and in conditions of virtual monopoly. And the only
- >way out is to put togrther some kind of a player that's powerful enough
- >to put the health business under control.
-
- BINGO! And you won't get much argument from me in obliterating that
- monopoly. But, then again, I don't want to let the gubment run anything.
-
-
- >I don't say that the best way to do that is necessarily the Canadian
- >system. But in Canada right now, that problem does not exist.
-
- Ok, Canada's system works better, currently. There, I said it.
-
- But I don't want our government to implement it. They'd just
- screw it up.
-
- >Furthermore (and this is a key to the issue of cost-effectiveness),
- >the Canadian system does a great job at spending enough money where
- >it's most cost-effective: in preventative medicine.
-
- Yah, like taxing the hell out of cigarettes. :)
-
- >And yes, there may be some basis to the argument that 8% of the
- >GNP to medical costs is still too much.
-
- Yah, there is. But, what can you do?
-
- >> [...]
- >>
- >>Trying to use a Canadian solution to an American problem is laughable.
- >
- >I guess I read you here... :-) Indeed, wouldn't that be too much...
- >
-
- Before I see the government jump into nationalized health insurance,
- I would first like to give deregulation and demonopolization and
- private insurance reform a chance. If that works, maybe a *limited*
- government health insurance program to catch people that fell through
- the cracks. [Kinda like Medicaid, but much better.]
-
- Just those three things would probably bring the American system
- closer to the Canadian system in fairness and efficiency.
-
- I resist a suddenly-imposed governmental health insurance scheme
- with every bone of my body, though. I just don't think it would do
- any good without taking the above steps first.
-
- Sorry to boot you with my jerking knee. I think I might've learned
- something from it. :)
-
- cpk
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