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- From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
- Subject: Re: Special relativity is SOOO irritating!
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:27:40 GMT
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- In article <92Dec18.124837edt.547@neuron.ai.toronto.edu> radford@cs.toronto.edu (Radford Neal) writes:
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- )Yes and no. Your original assumption that the staff is stopped by the
- )wall without being deformed is not just unlikely, but quite
- )impossible, according to special relativity. You have two choices -
- )either the staff is stopped by the wall, but is deformed, in a very
- )real sense, or it is stopped by some other process that leaves it
- )undeformed, and just happens to come to rest in front of the wall. The
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- Anyone for 'The staff and the wall are both blasted into glowing vapor'? At
- somewhere around 3000 meters/second artillery shells made out of even very
- hard substances tend to have severe problems with fragmentation of the shell.
- (Velocities this high are special experimental designs even for
- artilery, BTW - see Ogorkiewicz "Design and Development of Fighting
- Vehicles' for example, where he talks about Canadians firing a 1 lb
- sub-caliber projectile (presumably discarding sabot) at this velocity from a
- modified 76.2mm (3") smoothbore gun with an extra barrel attached to the end.
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- 'Deformation' is a very mild word for what happens when an artillery shell
- strikes its target. (Esp elastic deformation). And we are talking about
- velocities on the order of 10^5 times higher and energies 10^10 times higher
- here. Meteor impacts are low speed by comparison, at a mere 25,000 m/s or
- so velocity. Unless you can make the staff and the wall out of something
- like neutronium - (how do you keep it from collapsing into a sphere?) -
- scenarios of elastic deformation seem rather unrealistic.
-
- )answers in the two cases are different. In the first cases, the rod
- )does rebound and hit the hatch, but this rebound is not in any sense
- )"virtual" - it is just as real as the rebound of any other compressed,
- )elastic object. In the second case, there is no rebound, and you can't
- )even close the hatch to start with.
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