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- From: andrew@rentec.com (Andrew Mullhaupt)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Religion vs science: two questions, concluded
- Keywords: anthropics, faith, humor
- Message-ID: <1426@kepler1.rentec.com>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 02:49:12 GMT
- References: <Bz4n8I.CAp@world.std.com> <1992Dec12.050325.16212@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Dec19.215537.3152@aee.aee.com>
- Organization: Renaissance Technologies Corp., Setauket, NY.
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- Uhh - in case anybody's keeping track there are physics threads in
- sci.philosophy.meta now ...
-
- In article <1992Dec19.215537.3152@aee.aee.com> gene@aee.aee.com (Gene Kochanowsky) writes:
- >either case, no matter, it is possible to do science without faith, but
- >the converse, in "most" religions is viewed as hypocrisy.
-
- You got a different list of religions than me.
-
- >It would be interesting if people would post what they think the word
- >faith means and then a citation from their dictionary with reference.
-
- No, that would be pretty boring. Strictly speaking, definitions are matter
- of agreement between the parties to the discussion. Otherwise it's the
- same thing as shouting. Much better to skip the dictionary reference,
- since if the definition persuades the disputants to agree, it isn't
- important if it comes from a dictionary. Even the OED cannot be taken
- as beyond dispute.
-
- >Much of this discussion centers around differing definitions. This process
- >might result in a definition that all would agree reflects the common usage,
- >like it or not.
-
- So what. If you want to convince people, you have to get them to agree
- to _your_ usage, not common usage. Science is chock full of terms which
- have important and useful meanings which are not in common usage. Take
- for example the commonplace 'rate of speed'. Do _you_ use this to be
- synonymous with 'speed', the way it is _commonly_ used? If so, you cannot
- expect many readers of sci.physics to join you, even should you produce
- an entire stack of errant dictionaries to support this usage. I expect
- most physicists are glad to be able to use acceleration in preference to
- 'rate of speed'.
-
- Later,
- Andrew Mullhaupt
-