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- From: PL436000@brownvm.brown.edu (Jamie)
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- Subject: Re: What is a property? (was: No Reification Here
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:59:51 EST
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- >From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
-
- >Does everyone in this discussion have the same notion of
- >property? Perhaps just to make sure, or to enlighten me, one of
- >the participants would be kind enough to tell me what this notion
- >is.
-
- This is a good point.
- Unfortunately, I don't know how to say what a property is.
-
- I am assuming that Zeleny and I are working with roughly the
- same conception.
-
- >If I were asked whether every meaningful predicate expresses a
- >property, my first answer would be "yes, of course." Even an
- >expressive or attitudinal predicate such as "yummy" expresses a
- >property that some things have, namely, eliciting the attitude or
- >expression from the concerned speaker. (Of course, to say this I
- >must either reify the predicate or relativize my logic. Is this
- >Zeleny's point?)
-
- Here I am not sure what "expresses a property" means, even given
- a definite conception of a property.
-
- There are (at least) two possible views about "yummy" to distinguish.
-
- First, let's call this view "Strict Subjectivism," one might say
- that "X is yummy" means "X elicits the 'yummy-reaction' in me."
- Strict Subjectivism fairly clearly does have it that "yummy"
- expresses a property. It designates a property, though as Russell
- says, a relational one. To say that something is yummy is to
- describe it.
-
- But second, let's call this "Expressivism," one might say, following
- Ayer, that "X is yummy" does not express any proposition at all. It
- does not describe. It "evinces" an attitude (this is what I have
- meant by saying that a sentence "expresses" an attitude, but I will
- use "evince" for this function and save "express" for the function
- of designating or referring to a property in the more realist sense).
-
- As I was understanding the issue, Strict Subjectivism does say
- that "yummy" expresses a property, but Expressivism does not.
- It says that the meaning of "yummy" is not that it expresses
- any property at all. As Ayer said of "good," its function is
- more like that of a special tone of voice, or a funny kind of
- exclamation point.
-
- I hope this will clarify the issue. I am close to giving up on
- the topic.
-
- And I suppose Randall has vanished at least temporarily.
- It was a quite different question I asked him that led to
- the present discussion.
-
- Jamie
-