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- From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment
- Subject: Save the Planet and the Economy at the Same time!
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- Message-ID: <725869470snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au>
- References: <1992Dec31.175104.17984@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>
- Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 06:24:30 GMT
- Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents
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- In article <1992Dec31.175104.17984@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> tobis@skool.ssec.wisc.edu writes:
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- > In article <725777050snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au> and a previous article,
- > gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
- > |> The notion of a single objective environment we together must look after
- > |> better is absolutely untenable, when plainly one's subjective social,
- > |> built and natural environments are merely a part of the wider context
- > |> in which one finds oneself.
- >
- > Eep. This is another hazard of an education in social science rearing its
- > ugly head. The worst hazard, in fact.
- >
- > I think this radical relatiovism is the single most dangerous idea currently
- > receiving any serious attention. It is inimical to the whole program of science
- > and also to the prospect of getting our problems under control and reviving
- > the moribund ideas of optimism and progress.
- >
- > It's also demonstrably wrong, but only demonstrably to people who have the
- > patience to examine the demonstration, which is physical science itself.
-
- Mikey, please *do* proceed with your demonstration, as patiently and
- as thoughtfully as you wish over the next five years if you feel it
- necessary. I anticipate it with a profound relish as finally bringing
- the potential of sci.environment to fruition, if you are indeed capable
- of leading such a debate.
-
- Else you merely seek here to impose your own version of scientistic
- mysticism inaccessible to all except your own *true believers*. I am
- yet quite deeply intrigued by the unrelenting propensity of those in
- this group to claim scientific standing in order to repudiate my own
- as unrelenting plea for a reasoned and thoughtful inter-disciplinary
- discussion based on real data and substantial field experience.
-
- I am weary of the personal attacks made here, so go ahead any time you
- want and I also shall keep archives. If you want some breathing space
- to research and prepare your case, or need to take time out to more
- clearly define your vocabulary, or validate the premises from which
- you wish to proceed, or indeed find others to assist you, no problem
- whatever.
-
- Gil
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