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- From: chaloux@mandolin.mitre.org (Dave Chaloux)
- Subject: Re: binocular question
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.213357.7792@linus.mitre.org>
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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:33:57 GMT
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- Dana A. Bunner writes:
-
- >I'm not familar with these 16x50's however one other drawback, stability
- >is indeed a concern ... even 10X's exhibit a fair amount of jitter,
- >is the small exit pupil diameter. A 16X50 will have an exit image size
- >of 3.125mm. Most people in their 20's and 30's have a maximum eye pupil
- >size of 7mm. Since surface area is a ratio of squares, the size of the
- >image will only illuminate about 20% of your pupil, wasting 80% of your
- >night sight capability. 16x50's are designed as daytime glasses, when your
- >eye contract to about 3 mm.
-
- >Usually a minimum exit image is 5mm for night use. You'll need a 5mm
- >image to achieve even 50% image coverage on your pupils. However if you
- >are over 35-40 years old, that maximum pupil size usually begins dropping
- >to the 5.5-6.0 mm range. The standard night glass has a 7mm image. Thus
- >the popular sizes are 7x50, 8x56, 10x70, and 11x80. You'll find the
- >images in these sizes to appear much brighter. Note that Celestron does
- >not advertise the primary use of their 12x50 Pros as night glasses. The
- >smallest 16X models I've seen advertised for night use are the Fujicon
- >16x70's and many consider them too dim for night use.
-
- >This is not to say they can't be quite useful at night. I believe one
- >sci.astro poster routinely uses 20x60's. However there is a marked
- >decrease in image brightness once one begins to drop below about 4.5 mm
- >exit images.
-
- I can't pass this one up. It is true that the surface brightness on these
- binoculars will be quite a bit less than the maximum. However, my own
- conviction is that maximizing exit pupil is overrated even on extended
- objects. For example I use my 20" at 195x frequently. In fact the other
- night when I was testing my NGC MAX setting circles I basically used 195x
- the entire night. This is an exit pupil of just 2.6mm. This is even less than
- the 16x50s. When looking for faint small galaxies, I will sometimes run it
- up to 283x or even 360x. Maximizing the exit pupil is important on low
- surface brightness large objects. However, there are more objects of fairly
- high surface brightness but small angular diameter out there to try to see.
-
- The greater magnification will also help out on double stars.
-
- I personally would have gone with the 10x50s but for a different set of reasons.
- 1) Jitter already discussed.
- 2) The reason I use binoculars is for large extended objects like the Plieades,
- the Double cluster, the beehive, bright comets, etc. I want the bigger field of
- view.
- 3) Good collimation is harder to achieve with the greater magnification.
- 4) Finding objects will be easier with the bigger field of view.
-
- This having been said, high quality 16x50s will actually show more Deep Sky
- objects than 10x50s which will show more than 7x50s. Further, they will show
- dimmer stars in clusters.
-
- As Dana points out, the quality of the coatings, etc. is critical. Dana is also
- fair enough to point out that binoculars with small exit pupils can be useful.
- I just wanted to take it further and say that exit pupils can turn into a
- sacred cow that should be slaughtered from time to time. People might see far
- more instead of less as far as Deep Sky goes if they used more power. Even on
- "low surface brightness" objects more power sometimes helps. An example of this
- is M33 which in large scopes which can show a huge amount of detail at higher
- powers.
-