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- From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
- Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
- Subject: Re: "Rainforest Destruction Has Many Victims"
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.041536.2640@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 04:15:36 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.220544.12160@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
- >gph@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (G. Paul Houtz) writes:
- >: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
- >:
- >: >countries. Another fact - the rate of deforestation in Brazil has
- >: >been at the rate of 0.5%/year.
- >:
- >: Could you please cite a reference for this "fact"?
- >
- >I believe that it was in National Geographic's "On Assignment", on
- >PBS.
-
- This was discussed as a result of careful photographic surveying by
- the Shuttle on the recent PBS series on Space. I remember, because
- I was surprised it was so low.
-
-
- >: >The greatest worry is loss of topsoil.
- >:
- >: I hate to say it, Bill, but this sounds more like an opinion.
- >: I have heard a number of experts indicate that loss of the forest
- >: and species diversity is the greatest worry.
-
- Arguementum ad valorum. If you are going to quote experts, then you
- had better be prepared to provide the same level of proof that you
- demand of Bill. Which experts? Where? Why are they considered to
- be experts? When does the "opinion" of an expert become a "fact"?
- Is every utterance of an "expert" a "fact"? Not according to the
- debates raging in peer reviewed journals.
-
- Speaking of publication, where did your "experts" publish
- their "facts"? Mother Earth News, or did they publish in
- peer reviewed journals?
-
- How do they define worry? Is it possible that both Bill and you are
- right, because you define worry differently? How do you measure
- species diversity, when we don't even know how many there are, or how
- many are being lost? Are you measuring diversity as a measure
- of evolutionary distance based on genetics, or simply
- counting different morphologies?
-
- And, finally (and most controversial) does the loss of a few species merit
- the same 'worry' as the loss of topsoil and the subsequent human loss
- of farmland and lives through flooding?
-
- I would be happy to agree with you. I happen to believe in a lot of
- ecological causes, and don't believe in the "rape it now and let the
- future clean it up later" ideology that so many modern industrialists
- espouse. But weak rhetoric is not going to advance the cause.
- If we can't talk intelligently on the topic, we might end up doing
- more harm than good. We play into the hands of the Quayleoids of the
- world, who exploit the kind of fuzzy handwaving so prevalent in the
- eco movement.
-