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- From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
- Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
- Subject: Re: golf shoes, spike marks, rules question
- Date: 25 Dec 1992 09:08:49 GMT
- Organization: UC San Diego
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- In article <2934219410.15.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
- >> Neil W. Lareau <lareau@esmlsun.gatech.edu>
- >>
- >>The discussion of spiked versus non-spiked shoes reminded me of something I
- >>thought I heard. Somebody shed some light on this please.
- >>
- >>I understand there has been a USGA ruling (it may not be recent) regarding
- >>a player fixing spike marks.
- >>
- >>1) I know that before you putt, you are allowed to repair ball-marks but not
- >>spike marks.
- >
- >True. The rule has taken a few flops, but that's where it stands now.
- >
- >>
- >>2) After I putt, if I see spike marks on the green, I usually tamp them down
- >>with my putter. There is usually some sloth that scuffs up the greens in
- >>front of me.
-
- Those ugly spike marks wouldn't happen if he or she was wearing soft-soled
- tennis shoes.
-
- >>3) Rule question: I understand now that in tournament play, it is illegal
- >>for me to fix the spike marks on a green, even after we have completed the
- >>hole. I understood it had some origin in college team golf, with players '
- >>fixing greens for the players behind them.
- >
- >You may tamp them down. You may not tamp down marks in another player's
- >line before he putts, for obvious reasons. Chip Beck is the champion tamper
- >downer of old spike marks. A veritable avitar of altruism.
- >
- >Raking traps is pretty much demanded, with strong etiquette sanctions.
- >Tamping down spike marks is a noble undertaking. 8^)
-
- Don't you think that tapping down spike marks that you know you
- have caused (usually by the ripping sound of the grass on the greens)
- by dragging your feet should also be demanded "with strong etiquette
- sanctions".
-
- Most players I know will tap down their own obvious spike
- marks after the group has putted out.
- But Jim, before you claim that this statement completely justifies
- your previously posted statement:
-
- >As a statistical collection, IMO, those who wear golf shoes care more about
- >maintaining the condition of the course than those who don't.
-
- let me remind you that those of us who play in soft-soled tennis shoes
- don't need to tap down our spike marks.
-
- >
- >>Neil W. Lareau
- >
- > ,...,.,,
- > /666; ', jim tims
- >////; _~ - p00168@psilink.com
- >(/@/----0-~-0
- > ;' . `` ~ \'
- > , ` ' , >
- >;;|\..(( -C---->> And I think it's a stupid goddamned rule, BTW
-
- My guess is that you are refering to the first rule mentioned in the post:
-
- >>1) I know that before you putt, you are allowed to repair ball-marks but not
- >>spike marks.
-
- I read somewhere in Golf Digest I think about Lee Trevino explaining this
- rule. They had to draw the line somewhere because if they allowed players
- to completely "garden" their putting path to the hole, the already obnoxious
- amount of time spent on the greens would get completely out of hand.
- Let me also remind you that you wouldn't have this problem with the
- repairing spike marks rule if everybody ahead of you were playing in
- soft-soled tennis shoes.
-
- Do you not like this rule because it makes putting "unfair"?
- Maybe you would also like it if the USGA switched to winter rules
- permanently so you would never get a bad lie in the fairway?
- Or let you wipe off any mud that your ball has accumulated before
- you reach the green that was not from casual water or ground under
- repair?
-
- You need to learn how to play out of crappy lies, or hit with mud on
- your ball, or putt around or through spike marks to become a
- more complete player. Look at how well the Europeans play in
- America after playing alot on much poorer conditioned courses in Europe.
- Although I guess it never helped Bernard Langer when he needed to
- get by that spike mark on the last putt of the last Ryder Cup.
-
- Happy holidays,
- Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
-