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- Subject: Re: training problem <sigh>
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.094801.568@news.wesleyan.edu>
- From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
- Date: 1 Jan 93 09:48:01 EDT
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- In <1i1gvoINNnsa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
- >
- > In a previous article, mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) says:
- >
- > >In article <1992Dec31.135015.566@news.wesleyan.edu>, I (Ruth Ginzberg) wrote:
- > >|> <woeful tale of Catch-Me-If-You-Can deleted>
- > >What? Santa didn't bring you "People, Pooches, and Problems" for Hannukhah?
- > > [...]
- > >First of all, you are going to have to put a moratorium on using the word
- > >"come", except when you can reinforce it. Sorry, but this does mean she's
- > >got to be on a leash. Don't despair, there are 30 ft tracking leads
-
- Fortunately, I think this is already separate from the formal recall problem (I
- hope). She is *not* reliable on recall yet, so I have been using her "puppy
- recall" ("C'mere Buffy. <clap> <clap> <clap> C'mon. GOOOOOOood Dog. <clap>
- <clap> <clap> Al'RIIIGHT! <pet><pet><praise>") when she is off-leash so far.
- (This seems kind of natural, since I've been taking her off-leash to the woods
- since her vaccinations were complete, & to the fields since even before that.)
- She responds to this generally quite well *except* when its time to go home.
- For example, I've never had any problem getting her to come to me with the
- "puppy recall" in the MIDDLE of the woods, even when we've encountered horses
- or deer or other dogs; its only as we get close to the trail head (where the
- car is parked) that she rebels. So (among other things) I've been clipping her
- leash back on earlier & earlier in the walk, before she suspects that we're
- close enough to the trail head that I'd do that. <heh, heh> The result is
- that she is becoming more & more reluctant/evasive ANYWHERE along the trails,
- because she has figured out that I intend to nab her when she least expects it.
- etc., etc., etc. Thus, the escalation. <sigh>
-
- <other good advice on reteaching the recall omitted>
-
- > >Anyway, People Pooches and Problems is by Job Michael Evans.
- > >His Radical Regiment for Recalcitrant Rovers sounds pretty severe at first,
- > >but it really makes a lot of sense. Another thing is, the above training is
- > >a lot of work. Still, I don't think there is a quick-fix solution for your
- > >problem (not one that will last).
- >
- > I think that Sky is right on the money with her advice to try the Job Evans
- > book. The Radical Regimen is NOT severe, it IS strict. And strict has
- > nothing to do with being harsh or cruel. The RRRR is designed to put you
- > back in charge and restore your position of authority over your dog.
- > Whenever people who I am counseling with problem dogs ask for a book, this
- > is the one at the top of the list. Right after it is DOG PROBLEMS by Carol
- > Lea Benjamin. For advanced reading and ideas, try DON'T SHOOT THE DOG by
- > Karen Pryor.
-
- I'm on my way to the bookstore. Also we're signed up for another course of
- obedience classes (with a very good trainer) starting in a couple of weeks.
-
- :-)
-
- Oh yes, another (slight) problem here -- actually I don't really know whether
- this is s problem or not ---
-
- I think I've mentioned Buffy's doggie play group here before... Anyway,
- Buffy often (but not always) goes for her off-leash exercise with one or more
- older (& better-trained) dogs from her play-group. Usually 1,2 or 3 dogs go
- with 1,2 or 3 humans for the daily off-leash exercise, depending on who's
- available & in-the-mood at the time. All of us humans who accompany dogs to
- the woods/fields have gotten in the sort of lax habit of letting the older dogs
- take care of rounding up Buffy (the youngest) when she's acting reluctant.
- (For ex., Mena actually responds pretty reliably to the quasi-command "GO GET
- BUFFY!"; so does Barkus, most of the time.) Does anyone think that this is
- encouraging Buffy to see the other DOGS (rather than the humans) as pack
- leaders? Advice? I REALLY hope that the only solution isn't going to turn out
- to be that I have to suspend these daily woods/field romps until Buffy is
- more reliably trained. On the other hand, I guess I'd rather put a moratorium
- on the off-leash fun for a while now, than develop a permanant training problem
- for the rest of her life. :-(
-
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- Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
- Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
-