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- From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
- Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
- Subject: Re: Obedience v. Breed
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:10:55 CST
- Organization: Texas A&M University
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- In article <1992Dec18.212031.27794@cas.org>
- sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine) writes:
-
- > I don't think that ANYONE who knows retrievers would even try to compare
- >the field ability of labs and goldens. Labs are much better in the field.
- >(E.g., just look at the number of FCs and AFCs for both breeds)
- >However, I don't think that this means that many/most goldens can't function as
- >field dogs for hunters.
-
- And I said as much later in my post.
-
-
- >>Not coincidentally, as a percentage they are also far more likely to have
- >>a conformation background. And I don't believe it's all that strange
- >>that most people are readily able to tell the difference between goldens
- >>with a hunting test/field trial background from those with a show
- >>background - they physically look different.
- >>
- > I can easily tell the difference between labs from conformation lines
- >and labs from field lines, too. So I don't think that you can single out
- >goldens in this respect.
-
- You are quite correct to say that show lines of labs have physical
- differences from the field lines. But at least it hasn't gotten to
- the point with labs that they look like 2 different breeds. It has
- with goldens (typically show goldens are larger, have *much* longer
- coats, etc.).
-
-
- > Chris, I think that a golden who is not a good retriever should
- >probably not be bred. I also think that a golden who is not a good retriever
- >is not a good specimen of this breed.
-
- Same can be said of many breeds, including labs (and yes, there are
- labs that aren't squat as a retriever).
-
-
- >However, I strongly disagree that a
- >golden who not a good retriever is a poor dog ("ruined" in your terminology).
-
- I use the word "ruined" in reference to the whole breed. Yes, they
- are quite acceptable for a host of other purposes. But as far as
- using them for what they should be used for, the breed has been ruined
- by the show ring. Perhaps the word ruined is too strong; damaged is
- probably better.
-
- In fairness, the show ring isn't totally to blame. Popularity of the
- breed among people that just want a nice pet, and then proceed to breed
- that pet has also had a significant impact on the detriment of many
- breeds (note the GSD back in the Rin Tin Tin era).
-
- While I do feel that the golden retriever breed has been damaged. But
- I don't feel that damage is irreprible. There are still a decent number
- of goldens out there that do perform quite well in the field.
-
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