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- From: habura@vccnw13.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura)
- Subject: Re: German heraldry
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:23:52 GMT
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- Gwenllian writes about the difficulty of spreading the news about new
- charges to local heralds.
-
- My lady, *no* library access, whether in West Texas or in New York City,
- is going to be adequate for the SCA herald. I've had to gently re-teach
- quite a few new heralds who sat down and memorized Fox-Davies--with all
- of its Victorian errors/points of view/incompatibility with SCA practice.
- (No intention to imply that we're perfect, here--but we *are* different.)
- We already use terms that can't be found in the accessible English-language
- heraldic texts...chape', for example. We have rules that didn't exist in
- real-world heraldry anywhere, anytime. We already deal with the problem you
- cite.
- Recently, we had a submission that involved a "phoenix proper". As
- it turns out (as I discovered by looking up the word "phoenix" in the
- OED), phoenices are reddish-purple, just as the submitter had claimed.
- This illustrates the problem, even though it uses English words and concepts
- only (the purple phoenix appears in an English bestiary): I call it the
- "Dyson's Metal Mark Butterfly syndrome". [In case you're wondering: an SCA
- person has a DMMB on her arms...and it's so obscure that every time there's
- a potential conflict, there's a hooraw about what color the **$%^ butterfly
- is.] Severe cases of DMMBS have been known to give scribes and heralds fits.
- It is likely that the solution to DMMBS, which can be extended to German
- field divisions and other funky period heraldry, is to seriously strengthen
- the educational function of the CoA, even at the expense of conflict
- checking. If each local herald either knew what a seeblatt was, or knew
- who in the Kingdom to ask, we'd be a lot better off.
-
- (Heretical thought: Tibor brought up an excellent point, which is that
- our current conflict rules tend to push our armory *away* from period norms,
- rather than toward them. It is entirely possible to register good period
- looking heraldry in the SCA, but it isn't easy. I have actually gotten to
- the point where I'd advocate dropping conflict checking against *all*
- real-world armory, including "Gules, three lions passant in pale Or", and
- throwing all of our released energy into research and education. Perhaps
- this is a burnout symptom; I don't know. But I have done some thinking
- about this lately...it might be better to let the *populace* decide what
- would be too presumptuous. Anyone registering "Azure, semy-de-lys Or" would
- very likely take a lot of flak from everyone in the vicinity, as long as it
- wasn't perceived as "tweaking those d*mn heralds' noses". I think that, after
- a couple of years of such near-universal grief, the person would give up and
- register something else. Similar social pressure has caused the smoking rate
- in the US to decrease...after decades of health warnings that had no effect.)
-
- Alison MacDermot
- *Ex Ungue Leonem*
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