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- From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
- Subject: Re: On Fealty
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.195622.25798@progress.com>
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:56:22 GMT
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- Ioseph of Locksley wrote:
- The ever beautiful Dorothea asked about fealty:
-
- THE FEUDAL CONTRACT: ON FEALTY IN THE SCA
-
- Plus countless large amounts of information.
-
- I do not have quite the reaction Sheik Hossein did (neither do
- I have his impeccable credentials as a mundane expert on the topic,
- Nonetheless, I found a number of problems with this article.
-
- I have only begun to scratch the surface of readings about fealty,
- obligations, law and other relationships within our period, but I
- do not see the clear cut relationship between occasional period
- terms and customs, and the SCA.
-
- Perhaps those relationships could be made clearer by comparing them
- to the fealty and homage relations of a particular time or place,
- but not to the sweep of all of our period.
-
- Further, I found many of the discussions of SCA custom to have the
- opposite problem: they are firmly rooted in time and place to
- Ioseph's experiences with Atenveldt (current) and the West (historic),
- with little relevance to my few years experience in the East, for
- example.
-
- I think the only fair generalization that can be made, is that few
- SCA people understand fealty, and that SCA fealty has little medieval
- precedent. I thought it would be a simple thing to understand, and
- the tar baby caught me... know all I know is how hard it is to describe.
- Comparing SCA Fealty with period terms is playing with a loaded gun,
- since it can lead people to believe that SCA Fealty is period in
- nature. It surely isn't very often, especially the types of relationships
- mandated in Corpora.
-
- I also feel obliged to point out that Corpora does not require more than
- Knights to swear fealty during their investiture. Corpora does not
- require maintenance of that Fealty Oath in following Coronations, neither
- does it prevent anyone at all from swearing fealty. It certainly does not
- require landed barons or baronesses to swear any oath at all. Also, most
- kingdoms do not have standard oaths.
-
- I'd be happy to discuss the various kinds of "SCA Fealty" relationships
- that I have seen, or participated in. Some of them even are remotely
- like relationships in period... and some are not.
-
- Tibor (I hate to be a spoilsport on matters of opinion)
- --
- Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
- [I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
-