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- From: bloodthorn@sloth.equinox.gen.nz (Jennifer Geard)
- Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
- Subject: Re: Heraldic questions...
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- References: <725248234.F00001@ocitor.fidonet>
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 00:41:06 GMT
- Organization: Lethargy Inc.
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- In article <725248234.F00001@ocitor.fidonet> Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org
- writes:
- > Because this *isn't* Hungary, this is Ansteorra, or the East, or wherever;
- > in essence, because this isn't Hungary, it's the SCA, and the SCA (like
- > Hungary and every other mundane jurisdiction) has developed its own
- > more-or-less consistent style that doesn't include everything that
- > everyone else is doing. Neither Lyon nor Garter would grant a green mount
- > on a blue field, even to a Hungarian.
- [...]
- > Our period deals with "Western Europe"...
-
- Gentle lord, may I take your last point first:
-
- "The Society is based on the landed nobility of the European Middle Ages
- and Renaissance" (_The Society for Creative Anachronism Organisational
- Handbook_ (Oct 89), "Scope of the Society", p. 74).
-
- I believe the other statement of scope mentions "Western Civilisation".
- Neither of these, good my lord, makes mention of "Western Europe" and it is a
- cause of quite some concern to me that you seem determined to apply your
- personal preference of the confines of period, which you state as:
-
- > [south of the Trent, north of the Loire, west of the Rhine, 1100-1400, is
- > Tadhg's preference.... if you want to be precise.],
-
- to the entirity of the Society's heraldry.
-
- Indeed, SCA heraldry is SCA heraldry, but surely the realm of possible SCA
- armory should at least contain the body of heraldry from the times and places
- of the SCA's period. If there is, as you seem to suggest, no point of
- contact between Society heraldry and actual historical heraldry from period,
- why don't we just go the whole hog and create an heraldic corpus with our own
- creatively anachronistic charges?
-
- My lord, it appears that you wish to apply the strictures of modern English
- heraldry to a limited range of mostly French and English medieval heraldic
- possibilities. Must we have the worst of both worlds?
-
- Pagan le Chaunster
- Who rather likes seeblatten, and realises the CoA has recognised them for
- some time.
- ________________________________________________________________________
- Jennifer Geard bloodthorn@sloth.equinox.gen.nz
- Christchurch, New Zealand
-