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- Subject: Re: Heraldic questions...
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- From: bloodthorn@sloth.equinox.gen.nz (Jennifer Geard)
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:49:26 GMT
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- Greetings, Gentles; Tadhg wrote:
-
- > One of Laurel's oft-repeated maxims is "We follow the general practices,
- > not the exceptions", and red bends and chiefs on blue fields were
- > exceptions, not general practices; considered in the context of western
- > European heraldry as a whole, regional practices such as green mounts on
- > blue fields, however much they may have been the height of fashion in
- > Hungary or wherever, were still exceptions rather than general practices.
-
- Good my lord, I have not followed the heraldic discussion too closely, so if
- I should repeat what has been said please pass softly on.
-
- I think I have found where I take leave of you in this blazoning world, and
- it is indeed early in our wanderings. "[T]he context of western European
- heraldry" is the problem. Although I was aware that the illustrious College
- of Arms was Anglo-Francocentric I was not previously aware that a practice
- which was common in the area of Hungary and which spread so far as northern
- Italy and Germany would be dismissed as regional and exceptional (I refer, of
- course, to the vexed and repetitive issue of green mounts or bases: may I
- recommend to you the city armory of Venice and Heidelberg as examples).
-
- Is the problem that the majority of heralds do not feel familiar enough with
- the range of continental heraldry to be able to offer informed comment on
- such submissions? I have a certain amount of sympathy. I do not, however,
- see why a perfectly valid German or other heraldic device with plenty of
- evidence to support the claim that it is period in style and execution should
- be rejected by the College because it doesn't speak heraldic French. Would
- you please explain to me the reasoning behind this?
-
-
- > I have made a modest contribution in that directio with my "Ten Word
- > Blazon Test", the rationale for which is "if they did it a lot, they had a
- > term for it; if it takes you a lot of words to describe it, then they
- > didn't have a term for it, and so they probably didn't do it a lot, and so
- > it probably isn't good style".
-
- I quite like the test, but I run into the same problem: German heralds had
- single words to describe heraldry which we are forced to explain in complex
- phrases. Since much of our herald-speak is a learned variant of French,
- could we not throw in elements of a learned variant of German (etc) to expand
- the range of options available to those who wish to register arms befitting
- their place and time?
-
- Pagan le Chaunster
- Genuinely curious.
- ________________________________________________________________________
- Jennifer Geard bloodthorn@sloth.equinox.gen.nz
- Christchurch, New Zealand
-