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- From: roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts)
- Subject: Re: IQ Test?
- Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:59:15 GMT
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- In article <01GSYXPOFNKIADDCAK@ccfvx3.draper.com> skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum) writes:
- >
- >>From: "Hanan M. Herzog" <herzog@ux5.lbl.gov>
- >>Message-ID: <1hubbnINN632@overload.lbl.gov>
- >>
- >>In article <01GSXMV9SKC6ADDCVB@ccfvx3.draper.com> skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld
- >> Hvatum) writes:
- >>>
- >>>There are many IQ tests designed for adults. However, for most people,
- >>>a reasonable estimate can be made from SAT or GRE scores.
- >
- >>For whom are SAT or GRE an scores unreasonable estimate of IQ?
- >
- >Because the SAT and GRE are high-end tests, they'd be almost useless
- >in those clinical settings in which IQ tests are commonly used -
- >helping to diagnose the severity of mental retardation, etc.
- >
- >Some school dropouts who can't read can score well on some
- >IQ tests, but they wouldn't be able to score much above
- >200 on an ETS test.
- >
- >>Is there a minimum GPA which is a reasonable requirement for the use of
- >>SAT score estimation of IQ?
- >
- >I wouldn't go by GPA because there are too many people who've decided to
- >punt all schoolwork, even though they could score well on SATs and IQ
- >tests.
- >
- >>For exmaple, would it be fare to judge the SAT score of someone who
- >>performed poorly in high school (and learned little) against the SAT
- >>score of an 'A' student for the assesment of IQ?
- >
- >I don't have an easy answer, partly because there are so many
- >different IQ tests. For IQ tests with a heavy verbal component,
- >the IQ and the SAT verbal measure pretty much the same thing.
- >For someone who's read little and hasn't been exposed to a
- >good vocabulary, s/he'll score better on some of the IQ tests
- >than the SAT verbal, for example.
- >
- >>Will the student with the higher IQ always have higher SAT scores?
- >
- >Usually, but not always.
-
- >Bottom line: Be careful when interpreting low scores - there are too
- >many reasons for them. High scores, on the other hand, guarantee at
- >least some kind of competence, and are a strong indication of potential.
- >Unfortunately, motivation doesn't always accompany high scores.
-
- I disagree with you here. I don't believe that high or low SAT scores
- indicate much at all. One of the reasons for this is that the only
- thing needed to do well on this test, is to have a large vocabulary.
- In addition to this, the questions on SAT have often several correct
- answers. In my opinion, LSAT is a little better at measuring
- reasoning ability (NOT intelligence) at the time the test is taken.
-
- >I've seen on the net recently: JFK, 119; Richard Feynman, 125.
- >I'd like to what Feynam's circumstances were for that score. Had
- >he shopped for the right test at the right time, I've no doubt
- >he could have done a lot better. Not sure about JFK, though :-)
-
- The answer, I think, is much more simple. IQ tests measure just that:
- IQ; a number that has little to do with anything but grades in school and
- test taking ability.
-
-