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- From: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
- Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa,soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism,alt.slack
- Subject: Re^4: Atheism and Intelligence
- Message-ID: <4341@novavax.UUCP>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 00:17:34 GMT
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- Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL
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- waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
-
- > Some study, some insight, and a
- >good teacher could help you to realize that there are social and
- >psychological~r meanings beyond the literal to these stories, and there
- >is room for advanced understanding of these stories. There are benefits
- >to anthropomorphasizing God, even thought we don't see "Him" as a
- >white bearded old man sitting on a throne.
-
- Ahem. I hope you'll forgive me if I ask whether or not you read my
- original post. The "...social and psychological meanings...." of
- Judaism are *precisely* the things that cause me to label myself a Jew.
-
- > ...we are far
- >from a tribal cult that actually expects our prayers to influence a
- >deity.
-
- I was not saying that I felt the purpose of Judaism to be influencing
- a deity, I was saying that it is the avowed purpose of the Conservative
- and Reform liturgy to do so, and that my attending Conservative and
- Reform services, as "an atheistic Jewish SubGenius minister" might
- be seen as conflicting with that avowed purpose.
-
- In fact, I *thought* I was saying the opposite. I'm a Jew even if God
- does not exist. I'm a Jew because of 4,000 years of history and 27
- years of personal Jewishness. I'm even a Jew if (hypothetically--I
- don't expect this to happen) three Chasidic Orthodox rabbis reading this
- group (I believe that some of the people involved with the TORAH-L
- mailing list do) decided to convene a rabbinical court and excommunicate
- me. Fortuantely, Judaism is not at all monolitic about accepting such
- decisions....
-
- There. How's that--have I now had your requisite "Some study, some
- insight, and a good teacher...."?
-
- Sheesh.
-
- Mitch Silverman | As Voltaire never said, "I
- Student, New College of | disagree with what you say,
- the University of South Florida | but will defend to the death
- mitch@cfraix.cfr.usf.edu | your right to say it."
-