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- Date: 22 Dec 92 19:09:44 GMT
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- In article <BzMF2r.B1n@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
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- >jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost ) wrote:
- >> Aside on Sacred Harp stuff: its a hybrid between the very stark & the
- >> incredibly ornate, which its what makes it so neat.
- >> I've always thought the stark aspect came from the predominantly
- >> "modal" structure (whatever that really means) & the ornate came from
- >> the overlay of "classical" ornamentation.
- >
-
- >Not really. Sacred Harp music uses much simpler harmony than most Western
- >art music of the last 400 years or so - lots of bare fourths and fifths,
- >and quite a few "parallel fifths" where the melodic lines of different
- >parts are simple transpositions of each other by a fifth. Modal music tends
- >to imply simple harmony, but it doesn't have to - listen to some mid-16th-
-
- Miscommunication on my part: although what we've been discussing has
- included harmony, what I meant here was
- "the tenor & treble parts, each considered seperately as stand-alone melody
- lines, often have lots of notes, & gymnastics between them,
- per square whatever, a lot like the flowerier classical stuff...."
- that they do stand alone perfectly well is possibly no meaner a feat
- than writing a classical harmony.
-
- I'm blocking on the terminology, but there is a classical word for
- "distinct songs which form a harmony when sung together".
-
- Also note: I'm not including the Sacred Harp "fugueing tunes" (they don't
- exactly call them fugues) here...I wouldn't propose
- singing those lines alone unless you go for long silences, sudden starts
- & can keep perfect time...
-
- I'm not saying the bass wouldn't sound good alone, but I haven't thought
- about it.
-
- The alto was added purely for modern consumption & is most likely to be
- the part that is made up of pieces of other parts transposed into alto range,
- & also the part that assumes least agility on the part of the singer;
- its not specifically the womens' part, as women traditionally sing
- treble & tenor parts with the men, each starting in their most
- comfortable range. Nevertheless, the alto part also can stand alone.
-
- The neatest thing, to me, about Sacred Harp is that the melody perceived
- to someone listening, or, I'm told, standing at the center, is a completely
- seperate 5th melody, not any one of the parts.
- The music features a moving focus being bounced around the room
- like some kind of incandescent volleyball, never entirely posessed by one part.
-
- Comparison from a completely different music:
-
- Ossian (now apparently defunct as group, sadly, though the principals
- are all doing good things seperately) had that effect every time I've heard
- them play.
-
- The Chieftans, although they don't feature this effect on record,
- had it periodically on the one occasion I've heard them live,
- at the Stonehill College Irish Festival last summer.
- (People on the net had been saying they were completely over the
- hill, delivered only lackluster performances for big bucks...not true.)
-