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- From: alves@calvin.usc.edu (William Alves)
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- Subject: Re: Advances in composition
- Date: 31 Dec 1992 14:11:36 -0800
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- David V. Feldman writes:
- >(William Alves) writes:
-
- >"If it works well for you, go for it. But changes in compositional techniques
- >"to me should be driven by the necessities of personal expression, and thus a
- >"historically changing process incidentally, not by design.
-
- >Again, I lack an object language for "the necessities of personal expression"
- >that would usefully distinguish these from the products of expression.
- >The process of composition, for me, is too complex to admit the
- >simplistic *a priori* hierarchization that you would mandate (at least for
- >yourself.) Materials, ideas, taste, practical exigencies, accidents,
- >extramusical notions, experimentation, the input of others all these rebound
- >one against the other until music results. I hear in your comment an
- >echo of the Romantic idealization of the creative process that would priorize
- >emotion, as though composers preceded directly from mental states to sound
- >images, with training, technique, thought, planning, design all at best
- >necessary evils.
-
- Whoa! Hardly. I use the term "personal expression" begrudgingly and only
- in the most general sense. I don't mean to imply the romantic ideal of
- communication of emotion AT ALL. Nor am I asking for a "simplistic *a
- priori* hierarchization...mandate" (if I even know what that means). I
- said nothing about the composition PROCESS. Of course materials, ideas,
- taste, input, etc. are all important. The question is: are results adopted
- from these processes because they best suit the music, or because there
- is some extra-musical notion (e.g. a serial use of cells that has inter-
- esting properties and hasn't been tried before) that the composer is trying
- to put into practice? Of course there's a whole spectrum between these
- two extremes - I never said there wasn't.
-
- In fact, I see Schoenberg's, not my own, point of view as an echo of
- romantic idealism. The cult of the individual genius that came to pervade
- the 19th century caused originality and innovation to often become aesthetic
- priorities sometimes at the expense of how the music sounds (or, yes, the
- personal expression of the composer). For, how else can an artist be a
- truly individual genius if what he/she is saying or even the language she/he
- is using is not truly original (so I suppose the romantic-vestige argument
- would run).
-
- Schoenberg might object to the term "innovation," because he wanted to
- emphasize that his method was a logical historical development, but the
- inversion of aesthetic concerns sticks. Thus the language of technology,
- which is also concerned with innovation building off of previous experi-
- mentation crept into the language of composition: research, experimenta-
- tion, discoveries, and so on.
-
- I don't argue that composers aren't influenced by new music and new ideas,
- just that the reasons for the adoption of some of the ideas have changed.
-
- Bill
-