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- From: idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington)
- Subject: Re: Regarding the Questionable use of the Word -> Advance
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- Sender: idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington)
- Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018
- References: <RMC.92Dec21150551@miyazaki.wang.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:00:50 GMT
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- rmc@wang.com (rmc) writes:
-
- > idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington) asks:
- >
- > > I would just like to briefly mention my interpretation of the discussion
- > > of "Advances in Music Composition" as being biased towards a teleological
- > > interpretation of music history. Where are we going, people?
- >
- > > I still feel that the late string quartets of Beethoven are
- > > infinitely more "advanced" regarding real human musical expression than
- > > anything I've heard from this century. (Bach's Art of Fugue, too).
- >
- > 1) I find the Bartok quartets "speak more to me" than the Beethoven
- > quartets. Last i looked, they were from this century.
-
- Please, this was not meant as a criticism of 20th century music in toto.
- Bartok is one of my favorite composers. My criticism was one of the use
- of the word "advancement." How is a 20th century work more advanced than
- a 19th century work? Is complexity inherently advanced. Are works which
- are based on non-hierarchical tonal procedures more complex than tonal
- music? Schenker's technology shows that tonal music is complex in a
- way which may be impossible to analyze completely. Is this true with
- works based on simple number series, no matter how rhythmically complex.
-
- >
- > 2) I find that the various pieces by George Crumb setting the Lorca
- > poems to music far more sophisticated in their "real human expression"
- > than the entire corpus of Beethoven's vocal music and the Italian
- > operatic composers, combined. Maybe even just "Night of the Four
- > Moons" all by itself. (Although then one should ask the question "Why
- > 'Night of the Four Moons' and not Ravel's 'Chassons de Medecai'
- > (sp?)?"). Last i heard, George Crumb was alive and still composing.
-
- Oh, I see, music by living composers is inherently more "advanced" than
- music by dead composers.
-
- > R Mark Chilenskas
- > rmc@wang.com
-
- It never ceases to amaze me how at mid century composers and musicians
- are so defensive of 20th century music. Maybe if it were more popular, I
- don't know. But my point is that the notion of advancement is
- symptomatic of a culture driven by academic achievement, not artistry.
- Artistry, no matter what Mr. Feldman thinks is not a "romantic" emotional
- process inherently. It is fundamentally the capacity to speak and form
- truths through art.
-
-
- Jeff Harrington
- IdEAL ORDER
- idealord@dorsai.com
-