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- From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
- Subject: Re: Furtwaengler on Toscanini
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.182339.24353@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
- Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
- References: <1992Dec29.044256.14188@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu> <1992Dec29.101304.11724@lloyd.Camex.COM> <Dec.30.11.30.37.1992.15011@math.rutgers.edu>
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:23:39 GMT
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- In article <Dec.30.11.30.37.1992.15011@math.rutgers.edu> bwalsh@math.rutgers.edu (Bertram Walsh) writes:
- >
- >>>Bizet Arlesienne Suite and the like are yet the best of the kind
- >>>(Berlioz belongs to the German history of music in so far as he is
- >>>symphonist in earnest).
- >
- >>If it's good, it must be German, even if it's not.
- >
- >Don't forget Berlioz's assertion that he had taken up music where
- >Beethoven left it. He asked to be numbered with the Germans when he
- >said that. And notice the qualifying clause.
-
- Even with the qualifying clause, I am not convinced that Berlioz thought
- of himself as a German symphonist. I love Berlioz for his disheveled
- bombast, and I find it somewhat un-German :-)
-
- On the other hand, pulling Berlioz out of the German ranks doesn't make
- him Mediterranean anyway: we French are neither here nor there :-)
-
- On the "racial slur": it's not racial, and it is part of a well-loved game
- of throwing stereotypes at each other, in Europe. It is a dangerous game,
- but it can be practiced safely when it is recognized as such. I personally
- don't think that distinguishing between Southern European (Italian) and
- Northern European (German) music is unwarranted; and I am willing to believe
- that artists may have specific affinities with one or the other, and that
- this affinity may derive from national origin. It is obviously impossible
- to generalize, or to say that no Italian can conduct/play/sing German music:
- the counter-examples are too numerous in any event.
-
- --
-
- Francois Velde
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