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- From: chrisi@lloyd.Camex.COM (Chris Ischay)
- Subject: Re: Furtwaengler on Toscanini
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.101304.11724@lloyd.Camex.COM>
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- References: <1992Dec29.044256.14188@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:13:04 EST
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- In article <1992Dec29.044256.14188@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu>
- kos@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu writes:
-
- >The following is a very rough translation (made by a colleague)
- >of a letter in which Furtwaengler criticizes Toscanini. I would
- >suggest that the comments be taken with a grain of salt. It must
- >be remembered that this was written while Toscanini was on tour
- >with the La Scala orchestra -- not an orchestra that regularly
- >did symphonic music.
-
- I bet they sounded pretty good nonetheless. They were received
- enthusiastically. I wonder how the recordings sound today. Aren't these
- part of the RCA rereleases?
-
- >And although Toscanini had already done
- >quite a lot of symphonic music by 1924, it was not yet part of
- >his staple repertoire (as it would become a few years later when
- >he became directly of the New York Philharmonic). Still further,
- >the lack of any real positive comment makes me think that
- >Furtwaengler might have been quite a bit jealous -- the comment
- >about inaccuracy is one that for which Furtwaengler was often
- >criticized, and rarely was it leveled again Toscanini (who
- >excelled in orchestral accuracy).
-
- I don't have any references here at work, but my recollection is that
- Furtwangler had reason to be jealous of or inimical toward Toscanini. And
- he was not the only conductor. Competition was not unknown back then, and
- I think Toscanini horned out a few Big Names in his time.
-
- [from Furtwangler's letter:]
-
- >That he truly has an effect on the public, is
- >disputed by my wife, who is more sensitive, and I have to agree
- >with her. The suggestion, the press campaign do their part;
- >besides, especially in Switzerland, we hear good orchestras too
- >seldom to be able to make a comparison at all.
-
- This sounds like the kind of criticism levelled at Pavarotti -- he's too
- popular, so something's fishy.
-
- >Moreover, I became aware that the Mediterraneans don't have any
- >symphonies, never owned or wrote any.
-
- Racial slur. Low blow, Wilhelm!
-
- > Bizet Arlesienne Suite and
- >the like are yet the best of the kind (Berlioz belongs to the
- >German history of music in so far as he is symphonist in
- >earnest).
-
- If it's good, it must be German, even if it's not.
-
- >The fame of Toscanini seems to be based partly on his memory, and
- >his uncompromising ruler personality, and partly on his roots in
- >facist Italy. Nothing derives from the artist in him, for he is,
- >at least as long as he conducts symphonies, boring and mediocre.
- >In Italian operas that may be different.
-
- I find irony in the fact that Toscanini was equally celebrated for his
- conducting of Wagner, who I think was German.
-
- I can understand how Toscanini's style might in truth not match well with
- Furtwangler's ideas, but for the most part I find the comments in the
- letter Bob's quoted to be more tacky than incisive.
-
- Chris Ischay
- chrisi@camex.com
-