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- From: bwalsh@math.rutgers.edu (Bertram Walsh)
- Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
- Subject: Re: The BEST finale!
- Message-ID: <Dec.23.13.53.02.1992.19278@math.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 18:53:02 GMT
- References: <1gnii7INNibh@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <JWA.92Dec19210857@vipunen.hut.fi> <1992Dec22.154744.3519@walter.bellcore.com>
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- >I guess you haven't read the article posted here which talks about
- >one performer getting PHYSICALLY ILL after playing some of Bruckners
- >junk !!! ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^
-
- Let me briefly recap that post and its successors (not verbatim
- transcript, and with apologies to anyone whom I misquote). The
- original post referred to something indefinably evil about Bruckner's
- music, and either that post or an immediate successor to a performer's
- remark about becoming physically ill after playing it. A specific
- source for this remark could not be found, but there were some plau-
- sible explanations put forth for it. The most plausible one in my
- judgment was that the performer was a brass player, and that the piece
- may have been the 5th. The stress that Bruckner symphonies put on
- brass players is notorious, and orchestras that can afford to do so
- will double many of the brass parts in the 5th. Professional perfor-
- mers on the net could give informed details about various ways that
- orchestras try to handle the physical exhaustion of performing Bruck-
- ner, Mahler, the Nielsen 4th or 5th -- any of these guys who just keep
- the wind players going full blast for long periods of time. But there
- are physiological things to blame for the physical illness that come
- 'way ahead of musical criticism viscerally expressed.
-
- >Even his contempories and the critics of his day hated his music.
- >Whenever his music was criti[c]ized, he changed it !!! That's why
- >there are numerous 'originals' to many of his works. (The 'Bruckner
- >problem' !!!!! )
-
- Anybody who's interested can read in a large number of standard places
- all about the Wagnerite-v.-Brahmsian nonsense and the difficulties
- Bruckner had getting his work performed. Bruckner's personality may
- have made him excessively malleable about making changes for the sake
- of getting performance, but the post quoted above engages in wilful
- and simplistic misrepresentation of historical fact.
-
- Look, I don't find it interesting to hear Mahler, exceptions being the
- songs and the 4th symphony. I can give reasons, but I have to con-
- sider this as a failing in my own musical sensibility, not as some-
- thing that's deficient in Mahler. Could the Bruckner-bashers please
- just consider the possibility that their attitude also exhibits some
- kind of failure of perception, turn down the flame-throwers, and help
- to conserve bandwidth?
-
- Bertram Walsh | "A Walzer von Strauss is ma
- Dep't of Mathematics | liaba wia a Symphonie von
- Rutgers University | Brahms."
- New Brunswick NJ 08903-2101 USA | -- A. Bruckner
-