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- From: bryan@netcom.com (Bryan Higgins)
- Subject: Re: Beethoven's Symphonies
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.065109.16887@netcom.com>
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- References: <BzFqn0.CrE@ecf.toronto.edu> <1992Dec18.062740.5527@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:51:09 GMT
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- rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A. G. Seely) writes:
-
- >Save $8 (CDN) and get the Karajan for under $25. (The Harnoncourt may be
- >good, but a better value than the '63 Karajan set is hard to imagine.)
-
- I noticed a blasphemy in this version of the first movement of the 5th. At
- measure 303 (the beginning of the second theme in the recap), Beethoven gives to
- the bassoon the lick that the horns had in the exposition. The reason for this
- is partly because the (valveless) horns in Eb couldn't play the lick in the new
- key of C. But the switch to bassoons add charm, and it's Beethoven working with
- the limitations of the horns.
-
- In the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra of 1963, the horn players of course use
- horns with valves (as they had for 100 years previous) which are capable of
- playing the entire chromatic scale, so Karajan (I'm assuming he's to blame) has
- them play the lick at bar 303! Maybe Beethoven would have done that, maybe not,
- but to me the question is moot; it's not what Beethoven wrote. Shame on
- Karajan, and I think the piece is worse off, not better.
-
- Incidently, one doesn't have to go to Harnoncourt or Norrington or other
- socalled "historically correct" performances to find one that plays the notes as
- written. This kind of tampering is fortunately quite rare, though it apparently
- used to be more widespread pre WWII. It's intersting to note that Toscanini,
- who is frequently lauded as a champion of sticking to the score, does similar
- tampering in his famous recordings of the Beethoven symphonies. I don't own
- them, but I can recall his adding horn doublings with the woodwinds in the
- scherzo of the 9th symphony.
-
- Btw, there is an ultra-cheap set by Josef Krips and the London Symphony
- around that is quite good (it was my first LP set, on Everest). The CD set
- is about $20.
- --
- Bryan Higgins, Berkeley, California (bryan@netcom.com)
-