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- From: atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems)
- Subject: Re: Berg
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.235139.19095@cs.wayne.edu>
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- Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
- References: <1992Dec22.173348.9371@viewlogic.com> <1992Dec22.190135.17394@Princeton.EDU> <1992Dec22.215902.11026@viewlogic.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:51:39 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.215902.11026@viewlogic.com> brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
- >
- >In article <1992Dec22.190135.17394@Princeton.EDU>, mikulska@comet.Princeton.EDU (Margaret Mikulska) writes:
- >|> In article <1992Dec22.173348.9371@viewlogic.com> brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
- >
- >|> >Of course, the music is not exactly melodic in the old fashioned sense,
- >|> >with Berg following the 12 tone model.
- >|>
- >|> Not in WOZZECK. There is no "12 tone model" in this opera - it's a
- >|> freely atonal work. (LULU is dodecaphonic, though.)
- >|>
- >I didn't really mean "12 tone" in the sense of the term that you evidently
- >thought I meant. To me, "12 tone" means "no key", ergo "atonal". I thought
- >there was some special term, something other than "12 tone" or "dodecaphonic"
- >to describe the technique whereby no pitch may be repeated until all 12 have
- >been used. Perhaps I am imagining this.
- >
- >You're entirely correct that the "no pitch repeat" rule does not apply to
- >Wozzeck; pitches are repeated frequently, to great effect, throughout the
- >opera.
-
- A slight intrusion of reality here: Berg's Lyric Suite, if I remember
- right, alternates between 12-tone and freely atonal writing between
- movements (I *think* inside some of them too). If you can tell the
- difference by listening, you have a much better ear than I.
-
- ------
- Dale Atems
- Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
- Department of Physics and Astronomy
- atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu
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