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- From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
- Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
- Subject: Re: Carmen is an artist. Period.
- Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:00:05 GMT
- Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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- References: <JLow-081292092924@l32282.mdc.com> <1992Dec8.162915.389@uoft02.utoledo.edu> <JLow-091292092820@l32282.mdc.com>
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- In article <JLow-091292092820@l32282.mdc.com> JLow@hcisun.mdc.com (J Low) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec8.162915.389@uoft02.utoledo.edu>,
- >jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) wrote:
- > ^^^^^^
- >>
- >
- >
- >> > Who's to say that just because compositionally he isn't extending
- >> > the outer envelope of music that he isn't making the best music he
- >> > possibly can?
- >>
- >> not me. he might be making the best music he possibly can. that doesn't
- >> make him a good artist. i might be cooking the best food i possibly
- >> can. that doesn't make me a chef.
- >>
- >> > I think artistry is being truthful to whatever is inside of you, to
- >> > whatever God has laid on your heart.
- >>
- >> there are artists who make art specifically directed -against- God.
- >> they're still artists. art is not exclusive to Christians. it's
- >> pushing the envelope. Carmen isn't pushing the envelope at all.
- >>
- >
- >But in your original post you said that Carmen IS an artist, a VERY VERY
- >BAD ONE!. So what is it jason, is he an artist or not? Are artists only
- >those who are pushing the envelope? If yes then the only true artists are
- >those who are doing totally "original" material. That would eliminate ALOT
- >of "artists" doing "unoriginal" material, but in different ways, or by
- >your definition is that pushing the envelope too?
- >
- >I agree that my definition of art is limited. I do believe that that is
- >why God has created us as "creative" people, to ultimately give glory to
- >Him, just as His creation declares His glory. And yes, some people have
- >taken that precious gift and mangled it ever so frightfully.
- >
- >> > If Carmen is being totally truthful to that, then he is a VERY GOOD
- >> > artist, period. If not, then he is perhaps he is a bad artist.
- >>
- >> only if your flawed definition of art is correct.
- >
- >But not if YOUR definition of art is NOT flawed...
- >
- >>
- >> > I can't judge his artistry, I don't listen to his music, and I
- >> > don't know his heart, only God does. Perhaps we should leave it to
- >> > Him to judge all that is good or bad in the Kingdom.
- >>
- >> God judges hearts, i judge music. Carmen's music, IMNSHO, sucks.
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
- >>
- >> jason
- >
- >I'm afraid this is the problem. All of this smacks of intellectual
- >snobbery to me. What's the old saying, Those who can't "do", teach, those
- >who can't teach, criticize. Perhaps you should use your middle name a
- >little more often...
-
- Oh, come on my friend, we all know it sucks, so lets not kid ourselves.
- Let's just get on with our lives, happy in the knowledge that it's
- pure cheese and cliche and it sucks but, hey, some people like that stuff,
- so to each his own. Many people who would never have made it in secular
- somehow have a following in christian music. A lot of stuff sucks. I heared
- a full-on DISCO song one the Christian radio station this weekend. "Hey!",
- I said to myself, "Christian music is catching up! We've just hit the 70'S!
- Yay for us!" sheesh.
-
- Art? What's that?
-
- --Stacey
-