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- From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
- Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
- Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.091746.706@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 09:17:46 EST
- References: <BzMF1E.L9o@wrs.com> <1992Dec28.050119.13835@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Dec28.104922.684@uoft02.utoledo.edu> <1992Dec29.052608.22629@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec29.052608.22629@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven hauptfeld) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec28.104922.684@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec28.050119.13835@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven hauptfeld) writes:
- >>> In article <BzMF1E.L9o@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
- >>>>In article 5444@midway.uchicago.edu, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven hauptfeld) writes:
- >>>>>
- >>>>>Nonsense. Fischer wasn't indicted for playing chess, but for doing business.
- >>>>
- >>>>I'm not going to bother pointing out how ridiculous this is.
- >>>>(Hmmm...guess I just did.) What makes it all the more ridiuclous is
- >>>>that it's true.
- >>>>
- >>>
- >>> Unless you explain WHY it is `ridiculous', I must point out that your comment
- >>> is precisely such.
- >>>
- >>> Sven
- >>>
- >>
- >>Let me help.
- >>
- >>It is 'ridiculous' because it is a limit on one's work/art/love. Christ.
- >
- > Gee. Let's say I smuggle cocaine for living. Or run a teen brothel. And then
- > some government pops up and limits my work! How ridiculous!
-
- More absurd comparisons people. Notice that Sven has, once more, forgotten that
- these acts are illegal in the US. Notice how he is unable to address REAL
- comparisons. Notice how he thinks that teen prostitution and playing chess are
- somehow similar acts?
-
- Sven, playing Chess is not illegal here. And, if some governemnt makes it
- illegal, would that be a just law?
-
- Yes or no?
-
- And, since not even your limited reasoning abilities could bring you to believe
- that it would be a just law, why did you make to comparisons. MOST of us agree
- that cocaine and teen prostitution are bad things. Many of us agree that
- playing chess is a good thing to be able to do.
-
- What kind of braindamage has happened to you to make you think the two are
- comprable?
-
-
- >
- > Or say my art is making child pornography movies. And I am the best in the
- > world at that. Until some ridiculous FBI clowns lock me up, limiting my art.
-
- Kidde porn = playing chess in Yugoland. Sven said it first!
-
- >
- > Or I love this actress so much that in order to show her my love I shoot the
- > President. And instead of praising my love, this ridiculous judge limits it,
- > putting me in a madhouse...
-
- Shooting a president = playing chess in Yugoland. Sven said it first!
-
- >
- > Yeah, limits on one's work/art/love are sooo ridiculous!
-
- Sven, this is going to be very difficult for you,and I apologize for it. But,
- you are leaving something out of your arguments, and that item is 'common
- sense'. See, what we as humans must do when thinking things through is not act
- like act like a Liza program and do the following.
-
- 1. Art is good.
- 2. Kiddie pornographers consider kiddie porn art.
- 3. Kiddie porn is good.
-
- MOST of us have built in abilities to stop and include step
-
- 2A. It doesn't matter what kiddie pornographers comsider, onyl an idiot or
- moron would make such an association.
-
- PLEASE try not to go into the absurd when arguing. Include some common sense.
-
-
- >
- >>If an American were to write a book of poems entitled--
- >>
- >>"Suffering of the Serbs" (or whatever ethnic group you fill in) and sold
- >>copies of it outside of the FS match, would the State department be calling
- >>for blood?
- >
- > No, unless the publisher is Serbian. (I assume `calling for blood' was a figure
- > of speech...)
-
- So if I, as an American would be able to sell said book (which is conducting
- business!) without fear of ten years of prison, why should the State Department
- go after Fischer?
-
- Because he spat on an order?
-
- Oh, spitting on state department orders is the REAL crime he committed.
-
-
-
- >
- >>Tell us Sven, would you be as in favor of locking them up?
- >
- > Whom? The State Department? ;-)
- >
- >>
- >>And, if not, please explain how what that person did would be any different
- >>than what Fischer did.
- >
- > No business with Serbia. I rest my case.
-
- Uh Sven, the example had the book being sold right outside the match.
-
- What is the difference?
-
- >
- > Sven
- >
-