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- From: juffi@ai.univie.ac.at (Johannes Fuernkranz)
- Subject: Re: computer chess postings
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.140845.12541@ai.univie.ac.at>
- Organization: Dept. Med.Cybernetics & Artif.Intelligence, Univ.Vienna, Austria, Europe
- References: <1992Dec10.144335.2931@cis.uab.edu> <1g87soINNoee@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1992Dec11.035031.3407@cis.uab.edu>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:08:45 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec11.035031.3407@cis.uab.edu> hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt) writes:
- >Now that I've opened this floodgate, I will try to defend my position
- >against the rebuttals that are sure to come. However, it would be
- >interesting to find out how many postalites use a computer to "check out"
- >their moves! I don't play myself, but this has been discussed a lot in
- >the past. This use is very similar to the "training" except that it is
- >used to replace a "real" opponent. I don't condone it, but you can be sure
- >that it goes on.....
-
- I agree with Bob that computers *can* help you a lot. I have a friend who rose from
- about 1400 to over 2000 (add 150 for USCF :-) ) and this definitely started when he
- got mad that my computer, a Mephisto II weakling (can anyone remember those dinosaurs?)
- constantly beat him. Even then this machine was unforgiving to all tactical mistakes,
- but could easily be outplayed with positional maneuvres. And *that* is where my friend
- got good at, but he needed advice from other guys (me) and books to realize the
- weaknesses of the machine. Nevertheless the machine was very important in his rapid
- improvement, because I wouldn't have been willing to beat him 3 times a day in long
- distance games (now HE wouldn't have the patience with me!).
-
- I personally don't play computers very often and when I play them, then only in Blitz.
- This is, I guess, just a matter of temperament. I play long games about once a week
- and that is enough for me. I can only force myself to concentrate and think in
- tournament games.
-
- But I am convinced that Bob's advice of systematic trying of openings could be really
- helpful. I have discovered a couple of interesting new ideas by playing with a computer.
- On the other hand you just don't know what's good and bad. I have first seen the
- 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Ne4: 4. Qh5 Nd6 5. Bb3 line when playing it with black
- against (I think) Maxwell (gnuchess) on ICS. I continued with the main line 5. .. Nc6
- 6. Nb5 g6 7. Qf3 f5 8. Qd5 and thought I was busted and resigned. How surprised was I
- when I learned that black is supposed to have compensation after 8. .. Qe7! I would
- have believed that 3. .. Ne4 is an opening trap.
-
- So, to make it short: Computers are patient partners and thus very helpful, but you
- need other sources for learning important concepts.
-
- Juffi
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