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- From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
- Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
- Subject: Re: A question for DMC
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.012503.595@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 01:25:03 EST
- References: <18767@mindlink.bc.ca>
- Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services
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- In article <18767@mindlink.bc.ca>, Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:
- > Worthless non-GM Ginsburg was referring to the first Kasparov-Karpov match,
- > in which Kasparov deliberatedly played to draw when he was behind in order to
- > exhaust his opponent. (At least, that's Kasparov's story. Fischer's view is
- > the match was fixed anyway).
- >
- > You also state:
- >
- > "Reducing chess to math is to leave out 99% of the game".
- >
- > While I have been involved in discussions on the net as to whether Fischer
- > played poorly in some games or deliberately employed risky plans in order to
- > try to win otherwise balanced positions (the (in)famous King walk in Game 8
- > is the best example), I find this remark somewhat astounding. It is doubly
- > astounding considering that Fischer is one of the greatest seekers of "truth"
- > on the chess board in history - he would never make a move which thought
- > objectively inferior for psychological reasons, although he has made "risky"
- > moves which he assessed as playable (rightly or wrongly) in order to try to
- > win (taking the h Pawn in the first game of the 1972 match is a good
- > example).
-
- When I summed up my views on the game, I stated my views. Unlike others on this
- board, I do not let outside opinions, even those of Fischer, dictate what I
- will feel.
-
- You or Fischer seek the 'truth' of chess. I seek the truth of conflict. My
- opinion is that while the math of chess positions may be graphed, playing the
- game against a human is always a crap shot. (admittedly, a good player has
- loaded dice when playing a poorer player...)
-
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- >
- > So my question is simply whether you have played tournament chess and have a
- > rating, or actually play chess at all.
-
- I'll answer that if you can tell me what difference my tournament play matters
- in the views I present. And, it must be a reasonably valid argument/view you
- make.
-
- The view that there is little
- > objective truth is chess is very unusual, and not knowing about the first K-K
- > match has me wondering whether you play chess or are just discussing all this
- > abstractly.
-
- I did not in any way, shape, or form discuss the K-K matches when I was
- referring to Fischer's playing to wear down his opponent. I find it difficult
- to believe you do not know the histroy of the Fischer tournament way back
- when...
-
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-
- >
- > If you don't wish to answer this question, that's fine, but please spare us a
- > posting that this is avoiding some issue or another.
-
- You've been spared...sort of.
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- DMC
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