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- From: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
- Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
- Subject: Re: Bike paths (FROM Re: Cycling and Environmentalism)
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 12:03:45 EST(-0500)
- Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
- Message-ID: <01010064.m6j119@titipu.resun.com>
- Reply-To: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
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- gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck) writes:
- > ... I also know that for me to be on a 45 mph rural highway without
- > shoulders is dangerous for myself and at least annoying for the people
- > behind me.
-
- From what do you know this? Not from the accident statistics, which show
- highways to be as safe for bicycles as for automobiles. Of course, some
- roads are more dangerous than others; when the discrepancy is large, one is
- well advised to avoid the more dangerous roads no matter what one's mode of
- travel.
-
- As for "people" (presumably you mean automobile drivers) being annoyed by our
- presence: some auto drivers will be annoyed by the presence of bicycles, but
- that has little to do with whether the automobiles' progress is impeded. I
- have not discovered a rural road where auto drivers are regularly annoyed by
- the presence of bicycles. I have not heard of any surveys or other
- instruments which have found such an effect.
-
- If traffic is so heavy as to be significantly impeded by a bicyclist, then
- that traffic will be seriously impeded by turning cars, slower car drivers,
- and all the other aberrations of normal traffic. The bicyclist will be a
- minor problem for traffic flow in most cases.
-
- > ... I feel most comfortable in city traffic
- > (compared to rural traffic), because the right lane *is* usually wide
- > to allow for parallel parking. I agree with this idea.
-
- Wide right lanes are generally agreed to provide the best facility: unimpeded
- progress, objective safety *and* subjective safety for both bicycles and
- automobiles, and moderate cost. But parking lanes do not provide umimpeded
- progress or objective safety unless they are unmarked and unused. Even an
- occasional parked car either forces us to change lanes constantly (lowering
- our safety) or to wait for breaks in traffic (impeding our progress).
- Time-sharing can work, and prohibiting parking during times when traffic is
- busy can help bicycle riders just as it helps automobile drivers. Note that
- this is another case in which improvements to traffic facilities benefit all
- road users.
-
- I assume from your wording that you refer to unmarked parking areas. Riding
- in a marked parking lane, of course, subjects us to most of the same dangers,
- and some more as well, as riding in a marked bike lane.
-
- > But I also use bikeways and even hiker-biker-equestrian
- > trails. I acknowledge their limitations. *I*, the cyclist, have to
- > be the one to break my rhythm when someone lets go of their dog's
- > leash. *I*, the cyclist, have to be the one to swerve when a
- > pedestrian can't walk straight. That is the price I pay for avoiding
- > the traffic when I want to get from point A to B without traffic that
- > weighs 2 tons.
-
- Let me summarize:
-
- Roads feel dangerous to me, so I avoid them
- despite the lack of objective danger.
-
- Bikeways and paths feel safe, so I use them
- even though I can list and articulate the
- objective dangers.
-
- Now of course any person who claims to live totally by reason is either
- inhuman, Victorian, or a liar. But if, subjectively, we want safety, then it
- behooves us to determine, objectively, how to achieve that safety. The above
- silly-gism illustrates how easy it is for our subjective yearning for safety
- to lead us into objective danger.
-
- > ...
- > To everyone who rides the roads regularly, I ask where you learned to
- > ride? I started in a school parking lot, and after graduating from my
- > residential street, I moved to the local paths around a man-made lake.
-
- I learned on residential streets and graduated to ... well, to the next
- street. But eventually, at least by age 11, I was riding 2-1/2 miles to
- school, which included two short stretches of busy two-lane road. I imagine
- this early experience is a large part of why I don't feel the dread of
- traffic that many bicyclists seem to feel.
-
- Mind you, I still don't enjoy riding in heavy traffic; I would much prefer to
- be on a quiet, shaded road where I can hear the birds. If you prefer paths
- for this reason, separate that from the question of safety.
-
- > People walked on them everyday, but somehow, that wasn't a problem for
- > a 6 year old who had only been riding for a short while.
-
- Again, subjectively no problem. The hard facts, though, are that children
- are at more risk, objectively.
-
- > If you read carefully, you'll see that "pure" roadies, those that train on
- > roads, not paths, don't really disagree with the concept of bikeways. They
- > [bikeways] just don't realistically work for competitive cyclists.
-
- Bikeways also (for reasons that others have pointed out) don't work at all
- for commuters, utility cyclists, bicycle tourists, and many recreational
- riders. Even those recreational riders who enjoy bike paths are often
- unnecessarily endangered by those very paths, and their potential pleasures
- are diminished when bikeways deflect attention and funds from roadway and
- educational improvements which could help them enjoy a much wider variety of
- bicycling pleasures.
-
- > ... To many, [bicycling] is recreation. The problem is that, in making a
- > good point, the "pure" roadies seem to attack the idea of bikeways. If you
- > don't like them, then stay off them. Which is what you do, I'm sure. And I
- > hate to end this note on a cliche but, can't we just all get along? :O)
-
- Are you kidding? This is the *Usenet*! Fights are more fun for all. ^^^ (oh)
-
- Several reasons justify addressing the problems rather than ignoring them:
-
- 1) Bikeways are used to justify bypassing critical improvements in other
- facilities.
-
- 2) What little visibility bicycling has in our public education systems
- is mostly oriented to training children *not* to learn to cycle.
- Bikeways help to perpetuate this miseducation.
-
- 3) Bikeways lead to a public perception that bicycles do not belong on the
- roads.
-
- 4) Many of those who understand the (objective) dangers feel a
- responsibility to help protect those with less experience.
-
- ---------------
- btw greg, did you receive my email regarding bike clubs? I got no ack or nak,
- and email isn't reliable enough to make assumptions. It's unrewarding
- (subjectively) to put time into writing a reply and not know whether it
- arrived.
-
- Edward Reid (8*}>
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