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- From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
- Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
- Subject: Re: Cyling and Doping
- Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:18:05 GMT
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- In article <hhgra-k@lynx.unm.edu> warsa@vesta.unm.edu (j warsa) writes:
- >
- >Firstly, I described this scenario since the limit of 12 mcg/ml of urine
- >was posted by someone (I think it was Les Earnest) as being an unreasonable
- >amount caffeine to ingest. I beleive it is not at all unreasonable, and as
- >evidence for this I presented Janelle's situation so we could all see that
- >even with the equivalent of 3-4 cups of coffee, someone can test positive
- >for this performance enhancing drug. I did not post in order to start a
- >a discussion regarding her guilt, innocence, motives, or fair treatment. She
- >tested positive after ingesting about 300 mg of caffeine, and that's that.
- >
- >Secondly, I posted because I wanted to point out that a quantitative limit
- >on a performance enhancing drug is somewhat arbitrary, because such a limit
- >does not take into account the variability of humans to rid their bodies
- >of ANY substance, such as body size, level of hydration, etc.
- >
- >Finally, I have strong feelings regarding this issue, and I simply wanted
- >to point my rationale for having an all or nothing test for substances on
- >the banned list. Because caffeine, in whatever form, is a socially acceptable
- >drug you, as an athlete, are allowed to have SOME in your system. This is
- >also indicative of the arbitrary nature of quantitative drug testing. I can
- >point this out (at the risk of starting another debate, which I hope to
- >avoid) by asking rhetorically, "Why SOME caffeine? Why not SOME steroids?"
- >I suggest that if it's on the banned list, you should not be allowed any in
- >your system. This appears the most simple and fair policy for drug testing.
- >
- I agree with Jim's comments that all performance enhancing drugs should
- be banned and there should be no quantitative limit. Unfortunately,
- there are some drugs that make this difficult to do. Steroids are a good
- example. At this point in time, it is very difficult to detect the difference
- between steroids that naturally occur in the body and those injected with
- a hypodermic(or taken orally or whatever).
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- The same is true for EPO, which is basically a recombinant DNA manufactured
- hormone that looks and feels just like the real thing. Detection is just
- about impossible until the normally healthy 29 year-old dies of a heart
- attack because his blood has the cosistency of molasses. For those of
- you who need a quick primer on EPO, this drug increases the number of
- red blood cells in the blood which allows more oxygen transport but
- because there are more cells and less plasma, it also thickens the blood.
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- Ideas on ways to detect abuses of these two drugs centered on what are
- normal human levels. Like caffeine metabolism, there is a wide variance
- and the acceptable levels may seem arbitrarty.
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- I think Jim has raised an interesting point that may not be very easy
- to answer.
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- Bruce
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