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- From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
- Subject: Re: CD tweaks
- Date: 22 Dec 92 23:06:04 GMT
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- For those following the work of peterca@ento.csiro.au in message
- <1h4i1bINN8vl@uwm.edu>, here are some quotes with my comments:
-
- >follows: Current output DACs like the TDA1541A don't like to see a voltage
- >on their output and ideally would like to see a very low impedance to
- >ground.
-
- The current output of a DAC has a low output conductance ( dI/dV ).
- Hence its output current changes only a little if the output voltage
- changes. It is true that an absolutely constant output voltage
- would eliminate some error, but it would be very, very slight.
-
- >for current to voltage conversion.) I then wondered what impedance opamp
- >I/V converters present to DACs in usual applications and was told by a
- >friend that it is generally 50ohms to several kiloohms. [however I have
- >also been told an opamp set up for I/V conversion presents a virtual earth
- >to the DAC as its output fedback works to keep its inverting input (DAC
- >connection) at earth potential -so I'm not sure which is correct] These
-
- It is true that for the op-amp circuit commonly used for I/V conversion
- the input impedance is reduced by the loop gain and is "small". However
- the loop gain (the open-loop gain divided by the closed loop gain) is a
- function of frequency, reducing as frequency increases. Hence the input
- impedance of the I/V converter increases with frequency. To guess at the
- effectiveness of the op-amp at keeping its input voltage constant, I would
- look at the settling time. Looking at the AD data book, let's say that the
- AD 827 settles in 120 ns. When the output settles to the voltage it should
- have, the input has settled to the voltage it should have (which is the
- voltage commensurate with the very low input impedance due to feedback).
- 120 ns is about 1/5000 of a sample time at 44.1 k samples/sec, so I
- would say that the AD 827 should do a very good job of keeping the
- DAC's output voltage constant all by itself. The resistor and capacitor
- across the output of the DAC do lower the impedance seen by the DAC
- output, but they simultaneously degrade the op-amps abiltiy to present
- a low impedance to the DAC. The presence of these parts also raises the
- noise gain of the op-amp but my quick calculations confirm that the 27
- Ohm resistor is not so low as to hurt the SNR, even though it raises
- the noise gain from 1 to 37 (assuming Rf = 1K).
-
- You might want to try the AD 827 with/without the extra impedances across
- the DAC output (I can't tell if you tried this yet). The differences
- you notice may not be due to changes in the DAC's output voltage.
-
- Tom Matthews
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