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- From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
- Subject: Re: ZARDOZ
- Message-ID: <6258@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 13:07:55 GMT
- References: <1992Dec22.083108.7004@news.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE>
- Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna
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- From article <1992Dec22.083108.7004@news.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE>, by k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai):
- > Zardoz may be "art" but it certainly is not a well-told story. Boorman
- > doesn't tell us who Zed is until the middle of the film. [...]
- > Yeah, he eventually explains everything but
- > by the time he did I didn't care anymore. A more linear storyline
- > would have done wonders for this film.
-
- And I bet you only read mystery novels if the villain is given on the
- back cover, or else you might have to worry about his identity for the
- whole length of the book.
-
- Personally, I think the split storyline is essential to get the viewer
- to enter Vortex "from the outside". Starting the film by showing an
- immortal who devises a plan to destroy the central computer that
- controls his life by means of a genetically engineered being is about
- the blandest way possible. The cinematography that you comment on
- works so well because it is presented in the correct context. Boorman
- keeps you wondering what this is supposed to be all about. As a
- philosophic vehicle, the film is fairly crude. As storytelling with a
- moral, with lots of ideas touched upon on the sidelines, it's great.
-
- > Maybe
- > Boorman was trying to create an air of mystery but all he suceeded in
- > doing was confusing most people I know who saw this film.
-
- As should be clear from the above, he succeeded admirably for me.
-
- >He was
- >obviously trying to make a "head" film for druggies to cash in on the
- >2001:Space Odyssey crowd.
-
- Considering that the film effectively argues the opposite, I don't
- think so. Also, there's six years between the two. (Of course,
- there's six years between 2001 and Dark Star, as well :-) .
-
- > As for lapses in logic, the whole film is a lapse in logic as far as
- > i'm concerned. How does a super-computer extend people's lifespans?
-
- That's the wrong question. The question would be "how can you make
- people immortal?" If you assume that that is possible, then the idea
- of some automatically controlled process rejuvenating people is not
- harder to believe than any other I might think of. Obviously, "a
- super-computer" is not enough. It needs some kind of effectors. But
- actually, I don't care being told about that, this is not MacGyver or
- a Robert Forward novel.
-
- > Why do the Eternals feel it necessary to control the Exterminators and
- > Brutals when the Vortex is self-sufficient?
-
- I do get the impression you indeed didn't really watch the film. The
- Vortex ceased to be self-sufficient, since the catatonics (whose
- numbers are increasing all the time) are not working. The
- Exterminators were not only controlled by the Eternals, they were
- created by them, first to reduce the Brutals which the Eternals
- considered a threat and an annoyance, later to get them to work.
-
- I think there was one comment, which I accidentally deleted, to the
- effect of how could people fall to the level of the Brutals. Take a
- look at Somalia, for instance, or Albania, which is a bit closer
- geographically. Wrecking a complex society is not that difficult.
- Actually, this is one of the most believable parts of the film.
-
- > Why do the Eternals smash
- > great objects of art while chasing Zed?
-
- Releasing pent-up emotions after decades of restraint?
-
- > Why the great massacre scene
- > at the end? Wouldn't a great many of the Eternals simply wish to
- > live out the remainder of their lives rather than be brutally snuffed?
-
- Actually, this *is* a simplification, and it fits with what I think
- about the "message" of the film (see below). But wait three hundred
- years, and then tell me how you think about it.
-
- > If the Tabernacle is contained in a little crystal how does Zed manage to
- > get inside of it, by shrinking down real teensy?
-
- And where does the second Zed come from, the one he shoots? Wow. A
- twin brother, and we're never told about him. Now, there must be
- something wrong with this film.
-
- > His films all seem to have the sound quality of a
- > dubbed Japanese monster movie. Check out Arthur (Speed Racer) King of
- > the Britons in Excalibur if you don't believe me.
-
- Why should I? I don't really care, and I don't see what this has to
- do with plot line or logic of Zardoz.
-
- I confess I have no problems with any details in Zardoz. I'm not sure
- I agree with the message Boorman tries to hit the viewer over the head
- with, but that's something else.
- --
- Markus Stumptner mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
- University of Technology Vienna vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
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