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- From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
- Subject: Re: Arisia vs. Boskone
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- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.002935.17055@radian.uucp>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:29:35 GMT
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- In article <9212282303.AA13694@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> dee@ranger.enet.dec.com ("Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, LJO2/I4, 1-508-486-2358 28-Dec-1992 1803") writes:
- >>From: dgg@think.com (David Grubbs)
- >>Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
- >>Subject: Re: Arisia vs. Boskone
- >>Date: 21 Dec 92 15:44:39
- >>Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
- >>Message-ID: <DGG.92Dec21154439@mickey.think.com>
- >>In-reply-to: figmo@netcom.com's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:52:39 GMT
- >>figmo@netcom.com (Lynn Gold) writes:
- >>
- >>> There are two cons in the Boston area in the winter.
- >>> ...
- >>> Not being familiar with east coast fan politics, what IS the
- >>> difference between Arisia and Boskone (other than their names, dates,
- >>> and locations)? What is the "battle" all about?
- <MUNCH!!!>
- >Obviously it is hard to characterize a group of people's motivations in any
- >sort of accurate or complete way. But Boskone had been over 4,000 and
- >intentionally dropped to less than 2,000. Most of these were "innocent"
- >people. Some of them would have characterized their motivations as being
- >"affronted" by the explicit anti-media, anti-gaming, anti-costume, anti-youth
- >attitude of Boskone at that time. On the other hand, its not quite clear how
- >Boskone was going to succeed in booting out thousands of innocent people by
- >being nice. And it was quite clear that NESFA explicity decided that it needed
- >to get Boskone much smaller and understood that many of those to be somehow
- > kept out were not a cause of the problems.
- >
- I suppose you could say innocent. "Intentionally dropped"? I suppose. I *saw*
- the letter, where they picked 750 people, who had attended x previous Boskones,
- and invited them. Everyone else was not included. Yeah, 750 is sure less than
- 2,000. Boskone *could* have a) NOT ADVERTISED in some media (I used to argue,
- every year in Philly, to *not* advertise in any but print media, and *not*
- in record stores, etc.) Then there's the "bigger is better" mentality of
- the SMOFS running the cons nowadays, resulting in many cons being locked
- into one hotel (Philly being another good example).
-
- I'd say the battle is between SMOF-run cons, who want to big, and yet ex-
- clusive, tending to prefer print to any other media, and those who want to
- remain like the cons used to be.
-
- mark, the anti-SMOF
-
- "How can you be a SMOF if *everyone* knows who you are?" - me
-
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