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- From: tegray@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Thomas E. Gray)
- Subject: Re: by request / dan graves
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.190055.18755@Princeton.EDU>
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:00:55 GMT
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- In article <1hqos3INNieh@shelley.u.washington.edu> zola@hardy.u.washington.edu (riene des tournesols) writes:
- >What I wrote to Dan-
- >
- > dan@jonas.berkeley.edu (dan graves) writes:
- >>i saw Jesus in berkeley today.
- >>
- >>his Eyes burned
- >> atop his frail cage of Bones.
- >>his Hair hung down
- >> over thin Shoulders.
- >>i hear those Shoulders
- >> can carry the Pain of the world.
- >>
- >>but i don't Believe it.
- >>
- >>
- >>dan graves
- >>dan@barkley,berkeley.edu
- >>
- >yes! this is the one! ah! at the time even I was sad that I had somehow
- >lost it. I had connected the images of jesus and berkeley, and for one
- >reason or another I had a mental picture (the way I tend to remember things)
- >of Jesus in Berkeley, maybe walking through the fire,
- >maybe in the flames of the fire.... hmmmm. in anycase, I didn't see this
- >as a "religious poem", rather something more symbolic. An abstract of some
- >object/person that was more of a jesus-stand-in.
- >
- >Over Christmas my brother and I had a dicussion about why Jesus appears in
- >his (my brother Bob's) artwork so much. It is not a specific religious
- >meaning for him, but rather an icon.
- >
- >-Rebecca
- >
- >
- I very much liked Mr. Graves's poem. In my meditation on it I
- especially considered religious connections, and rightly so, I
- believe. In thinking about the religious implications of the poem, I
- did not fail to be sincere in my attempt to understand Graves's poem;
- it is a religious poem.
-
- Jesus can appear in a poem or work of art for reasons not overtly
- religious, but, once there, the poem or art has religious content.
- Just as one would be hard put to discuss the current government in
- a conversation devoid of politics, so would his mind boggle at trying
- to talk about any part of the trinity without touching upon the
- religious. I leave to minds larger than mine the question of how much
- religious content makes a poem a "religious poem"; my dictionary
- provides no guidance in this matter.
-
-
- -wsh
- --
- Wells S. Hansen
- Classics Research
-