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- From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
- Subject: Re: Sick and tired of cries of sexism (was Re: 9 1/2 Weeks)
- Organization: AT&T
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:02:31 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.010231.9462@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
- References: <1992Dec30.115724.20219@odin.diku.dk> <1992Dec30.141639.5308@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
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- In article <1992Dec30.141639.5308@vlsi.polymtl.ca> d40937@boole (Jean Yves Desbiens) writes:
- >Per Goetterup (ballerup@diku.dk) wrote:
- >: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
- >:
- >: >bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
- >: >> No offense to gilbert, or even to tara lou, but I'm real tired
- >: >> of hearing this crap about sexist ads when in fact the
- >: >> objectification of men is just as prevalent as the objectification
- >: >> of women.
- >: >That isn't the point, not that it isn't a good point to make.
- >: >The point being made is that the advertisers expect their viewers to be
- >: >men, and they speak to men as consumers, and ignore women as audience.
- >:
- >: You might be forgetting some types of products clearly targetted at women as
- >: absolute primary consumer, like 'super/ultra' efficient washing powder and
- >: dishwashing fluids that spares the hands... (for the housewife) or shampoo/
- >: perfume commercials featuring unshaved/sweaty men - or the exact opposite -
- >: the yuppie (sharp dressed) man in suit and tie in the fancy sports car...
- >:
- >: There's just as many commercials targetted at women as there are at men.
- >
- >Most of those targeted commercials are so stereotypical that they make
- >me want to puke, the bud adds a particularly offensive, a 25 year
- >differential exists between the men an women in them. The detergent
- >commercials are targeted towards women when in all of my friends houses the
- >*men* do the dishes.
- >
- >: The point is that in many areas, men and women are very different as consumers,
- >: and it's very difficult always to target a commercial at both at the same time,
- >: which is why they select one of the sexes, thus almost unavoidably making the
- >: commercial borderline sexist, or at least playing on traditional stereotypes.
- >
- >Not borderline, right on sexist, they have a preconceived stereotypical
- >way of selling things and they continue on, they haven't noticed any change
- >since the 50's. If they can't find a way to target a particular group without
- >being sexist, then maybe their targeting is way off (like the detergent thing).
-
- But they work. People do think like that. And if someone wants to give me
- the argument that they "send out the wrong signals," then I feel compelled
- to respond, "Isn't is sad when we have to remind all the viewers to think
- for themselve?"
-
- GMS
-