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- From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
- Subject: Re: Enough is Enough (was Re: Top Five Movies of All Time)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.144814.619@ifi.unizh.ch>
- Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
- References: <kaxiras.724462968@cs.wisc.edu> <4448@cvbnetPrime.COM> <1992Dec21.131006.448@ifi.unizh.ch>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:48:14 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.131006.448@ifi.unizh.ch> hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner) writes:
- >In article <4448@cvbnetPrime.COM> csroc@dime.UUCP (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2) writes:
- >>In article <kaxiras.724462968@cs.wisc.edu> kaxiras@falcons.cs.wisc.edu (Stefanos Kaxiras) writes:
- >>>I agree with Pentti. Americans are very ignorant regarding
- >>>foreign cinema. Most masterpieces do not come from USA.
- >>>You people have no idea of Italian cinema, German cinema
- >>>(epsecially the very early one - silent ), Jpanese, Russian
- >>>( two of my favorite movies -SciFi mind you- come from Russia ),
- >>>and what have you.
- >>Well....excuuuuuuuusssssse me!
- >>You claim Americans are very ignorant regarding Italian cinema,
- >>Gee.. does a week go by without mention of Cinema Paradesio,
- >>and Fellini and MM(astrioni)etc.
- >
- >Mention, eh? And how many people have seen "Cinema Paradiso", a Fellini or a
- >"Mastroianni" in US? And how many have ever heard of the rest of Italian cinema
- >( there is more than Fellini/Mastroianni/Cinema Paradiso!! )? Well, I don't
- >claim Italian cinema is well known everywhere except US, maybe it's even not
- >so well known to the average Italian, but there is much more to it than what
- >reaches US general release and therefore 99,x% of the American public. If you
- >compare the US revenues of a major foreign ( not English spoken ) hit (
- >Cinema Paradiso, High Heels... ) with the domestic hits there is a BIG diffe-
- >rence. This difference is not so big in European countries. US movies are on
- >top there too, but the best local and non US movies are not 90-99% behind!
- >
- >>You Claim Americans are very ignorant regarding German cinema,
- >>Gee.. does a week go by without mention of Das Boot.
- >
- >German cinema is NOT "Das Boot"! This movie is simply a untypical German example
- >with hollywoodesque proportions regarding technical aspects ( therefore it was
- >accepted in US ). It's in no way representative for German cinema as a whole,
- >it's a small branch which could be called "aspiring big budget stuff, aimed at
- >the world market and trying to get Hollywood's attention". If you want to know
- >about German cinema watch the movies of Wenders, Schloendorff, Herzog, Staudte,
- >von Trotta, FASSBINDER, Kluge, von Sternberg ( pre Hollywood ), Pabst, Murnau,
- >( pre Hollywood ) LANG etc. etc. You don't know German cinema when you have
- >never heard of Heinz Ruehmann, O.W. Fischer, Hans Moser, Theo Lingen,
- >H. George, Gustav Knuth, Maria Schell, Liselotte Pulver, Maximilian Schell,
- >Horst Buchholz, Hildegard Knef, Lilian Harvey, Oskar Sima, Heidemarie Hatheyer,
- >Sonia Henie, Romy Schneider, Karlheinz Boehm, Magda Schneider, Josef Meinrad
- >etc. etc. etc.
- >
- >>French films play in all major American cities(and I imagine
- >>some not so major ones.
- >
- >Yes, about 2% (?) of the annual production! In Paris there are every week new
- >French movies coming out!
- >
- >>Indian films, especially by the figure who recently passed away,
- >>Singat Ray(pls excuse my spelling)
- >
- >And what about the 790 other movies every year? ( Not all of them are the usual
- >uninteresting dance-love-bad guy vs good guy stuff ).
- >
- >>Haven't you noticed that Kurowasa((sp)) and Bergman are
- >>idolized as GODS of cinema in America.
- >
- >Maybe, but how many Americans have actually ever seen a Bergman or Kurosawa in
- >their local cinemas? Did one ever show up there? And what about all the other
- >good directors from Japan and Sweden? What about Mizoguchi, Ozu, Kinoshita,
- >Naruse, Ishi, Molander, Sjoestroem etc. etc.
- >The fact is that except for a very small number of "cinephiles" people in US
- >AND in the rest of the world are unaware of the wealth of movies world cinema
- >potentially has to offer. Sad, but true. Usually the own cinema is closest to
- >people, followed by the cinema of countries with the same language. And that's
- >about it.
-
- Hm, I should have said: Usually the own cinema AND HOLLYWOOD MOVIES ( dubbed or
- subtitled ) are closest to people, followed by the cinema of countries with
- the same language. And that's about it. :-)
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- >
- >>It is you who are ignorant of Americans(IMHO), not the Americans
- >>ignorant of foreign cinema.
- >
- >Wrong, most people everywhere are ignorant of most of world cinema. The situa-
- >tion in Europe is generally better than in US concerning the choice of movies
- >available to the average guy, but it's a problem everywhere to see specific
- >movies if you are not happy with some lousy video, and often even then.
- > M.H.
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