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- From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
- Subject: Re: Judith Martin is too (was: Wits and Half-Wits)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.021009.1208@netcom.com>
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- References: <24DEC92.17205268@vax.clarku.edu> <Bzs03t.KKH@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> <BzuIFF.3q7@NeoSoft.com>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 02:10:09 GMT
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- In article <BzuIFF.3q7@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
- >In article <Bzs03t.KKH@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
- >>hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu quoted Tom Maddox:
- >>> I'm much more concerned with whether people are being interesting, witty,
- >>> enlightening, provocative. In short, when it comes to public exchanges of
- >>> the written word, I would hold up Oscar Wilde or Dorothy Parker as exemplars
- >>> rather than Miss Manners.
- >Am I reading a different Miss Manners than everyone else? I
- >regard her as with O. Wilde and D. Parker, not against.
-
- Perhaps so. I withdraw the implication that Miss Manners is not
- witty.
-
- >Maybe *that*'s the fundamental r.a.b. problem: the nasty
- >posters here have forgotten that great wit needs constraints--
- >for example, those of grammatical elegance, superficial
- >courtesy, objective correlatives, and so on--to be at its best.
-
- And maybe not. While your presciption for "great wit" is both
- concise and superficially plausible, it is suitable more to some idealized
- 18th century drawing room than to a late 20th century computer newsgroup.
-
- And in any case, both Dorothy Parker and Oscar Wilde could be
- discourteous when they felt the situation called for it. For instance,
- Ms. Parker's remarks in the guest book at Hearst Castle--I can't guarantee
- the accuracy of the quote, which goes something like:
-
- Upon my honor,
- I saw a madonna
- Above the door
- Of the private whore
- Of the world's biggest son of a bitch . . .
-
- Or words to that effect--which, no matter how you construe them, will not
- count as superficially polite.
-
- In fact, the whole notion of holding up anyone in particular as
- exemplary for posting to r.a.b. suddenly strikes me as ludicrous. Given the
- actual _dramatis personae_ here--their incredible diversity of education,
- talent, diction, etc.--any such attempt can only be repressive. So I'll
- withdraw not only Miss Manners but also Mr. Wilde and Ms. Parker (though
- I'll keep my high regard for them).
-
- >>I'd hold them up as exemplars, too. People who produced a small output
- >>with every superfluous word excised. I suspect that Parker's collected
- >>short stories amount to fewer words than some posters put out here in a
- >>year.
-
- We are not writing short stories here, I would remind Mr. Campin.
- More suitable grounds for comparison would be the cut-and-slash that
- apparently characterized Parker & Co. in more informal venues, from letters
- to conversation.
- --
- Tom Maddox
- tmaddox@netcom.com
- "That's a bird bone, chair, Bob. I don't know if I should sit there."
- Tom Waits
-