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- From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
- Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.220912.19473@netcom.com>
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- References: <18844@mindlink.bc.ca> <1992Dec23.192222.10975@netcom.com> <1992Dec23.155759.1@wharton.upenn.edu>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:09:12 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.155759.1@wharton.upenn.edu> millerl@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Dec23.192222.10975@netcom.com>, tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
- >> The work is usually divorced entirely from its original context and
- >> is in fact being offered for the esthetic pleasure of the urban dweller with
- >> (often significant) disposable income.
- >
- >> While I generally stand foursquare in favor of cultural mixing
- >> (which has given us, e.g., much of the best popular music of the 20th
- >> century), I confess the practice I've just described makes me uneasy.
- >
- >Lots of pop music is influenced by gospel music, hymns, and other sacred
- >music.
-
- As I just intimated.
-
- >Why is it somehow bad to borrow sacred or culturally important
- >visual or narrative artforms and good to borrow similar musical
- >artforms? Is George Harrison bad for sticking "hari krsna hari rama"
- >into the song "my sweet lord"?
-
- A different situation: Harrison was to some extent a believer; i.e.,
- he hadn't simply appropriated "hari krsna . . ." because he liked the
- sound of the words--like the Hare Krishnas themselves, he thought that
- chanting the words was a good thing to do.
-
- (There is the other question, oddly enough, of Harrison's having
- lifted the melody of "He's So Fine" [I believe that was the r&b song in
- question], for which a court ordered he pay damages.)
-
- >Artistic work has often drifted between sacred and mundane usage.
-
- Yeah, sure, I get all that, and as I stated above, I'm even in
- favor of it.
-
- Nonetheless--
-
- There are issues of taste, irony, cultural imperialism of a sort.
- In most cases I'm happy to enjoy the fruits of "quoting" as postmodernism
- calls it, or cultural syncretism, or whatever else you want to call it, but
- in others, the act of appropriation simply feels transgressive--in the
- instances I cited originally, the enormous material and ontological gulf
- between the peasant artist and the yuppie consumer gave me a mild case of
- the willies. Note also that the artist and his or her culture is alive and
- functioning--we're not talking about hanging Ancient Egyptian religious
- symbols on a late 20th century wall.
-
- >IMO, this boils down to heresy... some people try very hard to avoid
- >what other cultures might consider offensive ideas, but I don't this
- >will ever be successful if, for instance, the english word "bus" means
- >"fuck" in hungarian. By coexisting with a society without adopting its
- >culture we implicitly deny that culture, and fanatics will treat that as
- >an offense no matter how hard we censor ourselves.
-
- There's no question of censorship. Indeed, there was no cultural
- syncretism, which is perhaps the point. One artist did not appropriate the
- work of another; consumers *purchased* the work of artists, which is something
- rather different. (Perhaps the Marxist notion of commodification will make
- sense of that difference, but I don't think so.)
-
- >So what can you do to help?
-
- Help whom? Help what?
-
- >How about listening when people tell you
- >about themselves, and when they ask you about things tell them the whole
- >story? If you're writing fiction based on a culture that is not your own
- >you can only use as much as you comprehend of it, but if you want to be
- >safe then remind your reader of this.
-
- >Acknowledge your sources and your prejudices.
-
- >That's good enough, and it's all you can do.
-
- A very optimistic and perhaps naive point of view. There are several
- fairly compelling theories around that tell you this is simply (a) impossible
- and (b) not good enough. Good will, a good heart, good intentions--they
- probably aren't enough, but you (or I, or anyone) cannot "acknowledge"
- prejudices in many instances because we simply aren't *aware* of them. Also,
- some would argue that there is no privileged or prejudice-free position from
- which to work. And also, power relations determine what happens, not good
- or ill will.
-
- --
- Tom Maddox
- tmaddox@netcom.com
- "That's a bird bone, chair, Bob. I don't know if I should sit there."
- Tom Waits
-