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- From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke)
- Subject: Re: Born in Bethlehem?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.005558.12255@sophia.smith.edu>
- Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US
- References: <1992Dec26.132402.7206@sophia.smith.edu> <BzvrBu.5vu@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:55:58 GMT
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- I wrote:
- >> A. N. Wilson says in "Jesus: A Life" that it is extremely unlikely
- >> that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Even if one takes everything in
- >> the Bible as literally true, the birth in a stable remains pure
- >> myth. It is not mentioned in any of the Gospels.
-
- Mike Morris replied:
- >Huh?
- > ``And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in
- > swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was
- > no room for them in the inn.'' [Luke 2.7, King James Version]
- >
- >The word for ``manger'', or _phatne_, according to Liddell and Scott,
- >comes probably from _pateomai_, ``to eat''. I.e., a feeding trough.
-
- Wilson addresses this passage on p.80 of his book:
- "To Luke we owe the charming detail that when Jesus had
- been born, his mother laid him in a manger, though the
- idea that Jesus was born in a stable belongs to folk-tale
- rather than to the New Testament. Luke says that Mary laid
- her first-born son in a manger since there was no place
- (*topos*) in the *kataluma*. This is a Greek word which more
- often means 'room' than 'inn.' Luke never states that
- Mary and Joseph were staying at an inn, still less an inn
- where there was no room for them, still less that they were
- therefore obliged to sleep that night in a stable. He merely
- says that the particular room in which Jesus was born did
- not have a cradle in it. One is presumably meant to
- understand that someone improvised, bringing a feeding-box
- for animals into the room, as a substitute for a cradle."
-