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- From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
- Subject: Re: Bullshit (was: *Any* kind of r.a.b. split, or at least a *serious*
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.082553.12475@spdcc.com>
- Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
- References: <24DEC92.02382845@vax.clarku.edu> <1992Dec24.055702.6073@u.washington.edu> <24DEC92.06545989@vax.clarku.edu>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:25:53 GMT
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- In article <24DEC92.06545989@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
- >Barbara said:
- >>>>People who engage in what passes for communication here have to
- >>>>understand that we, collectively, form a brand-new culture, one
- >>>>that has a life of its own. Not everyone is comfortable with its
- >>>>manners and rituals as they've more or less evolved, just as not
- >>>>everyone in the world is comfortable eating with knives and forks,
- >>>>or with chopsticks; it's not Their Way. But it's the way it is *here*.
- >
- >How would you interpret these remarks?
-
- This is simply stating the obvious, and it's not a phenomenon limited
- to electronic communication. Imagine a group of people who have become
- familiar with each other through working and talking with each other
- over time. Someone wanders in (completely freely, of course), starts
- participating, and has no idea of what has gone on before. Such a
- person is probably going to misconstrue exchanges, and an intelligent
- person lays low until they get a feel for what the status quo is.
- Someone who is oblivious to this, or someone who just doesn't care
- about this aspect of social interactions, might make a mistake or two
- and occasionally be called on it. Now, this can happen both in face-to-face
- organizations and here on r.a.b. That's just the way it is. Railing
- against the "clique" is a waste of energy. The clique disappears as you
- rub your rough edges against the other participants, thereby becoming part
- of the group. That is, unless you insist on filing and sharpening them
- by cries of "bullshit", etc. Get over it, Heather. Get off the topic,
- get off your butt and start participating, and this will be done and finished
- with. The net has a short memory, and you're only as good as your last
- article. (Except in the case of MZ, of course!)
-
- >Can you say that any attempt at courtesy and politeness is rendered
- >meaningless because someone, somewhere, won't understand it? Is there no
- >common ground of civility? Of decency? Of honor?
- >If there is no such common ground, why do we bother talking at all?
-
- I must admit that I didn't pay much attention to this little tempest
- until these cries of "bullshit". Strange to see pleas for civility
- coming from the same author! I'm always one for a well-placed profanity
- as punctuation; it can be useful as irony or to make a point, but I
- think you can stop flogging this horse; it's been dead a while and it's
- beginning to stink.
-
- --
- Steve Dyer
- dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
-