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- From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
- Subject: Bullshit (was: *Any* kind of r.a.b. split, or at least a *serious*
- Message-ID: <24DEC92.02382845@vax.clarku.edu>
- Sender: news@black.clarku.edu (USENET News System)
- Organization: Clark University
- Date: 24 DEC 92 02:38:28 GMT
- Lines: 70
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- Dani Zweig wrote, among many other sensitive and reasonable statements:
-
- >>communications with
- >>strangers should be more cautious and formal than communications with
- >>friends and acquaintances. It's easy, sitting alone at one's own
- >>terminal, to forget that those commonplaces apply here as well. Posting
- >>to tens of thousands of newsgroup readers in the same terms you'd use
- >>to speak to one of them is...provincial.
-
- Barbara Hlavin responded:
-
- >Yeah, it's tough out here with all the rubes. Not to mention the
- >insensitive, inconsiderate brutes who persist in imposing their
- >own style on the discourse.
-
- So, Barbara, who do you picture yourself as, a rube or a brute? How about
- perceiving everyone as a potentially valuable contributor to the discussion?
- How about being polite? (God, what a concept.)
-
- >Hey, this goes with the territory. One person's attempt at formality
- >and courtesy will inevitably be interpreted by *some*one, *some*where
- >as rudeness or indecisiveness. There's no end to the ways we are
- >capable of misinterpreting one another.
-
- Ever read the Gettysburg Address?
-
- >People who engage in what passes for communication here have to
- >understand that we, collectively, form a brand-new culture, one
- >that has a life of its own. Not everyone is comfortable with its
- >manners and rituals as they've more or less evolved, just as not
- >everyone in the world is comfortable eating with knives and forks,
- >or with chopsticks; it's not Their Way. But it's the way it is
- >*here*.
-
- Oh, bullshit. Bullshit! BULLSHIT!! There's no brand-new culture! There
- are no new rules for politeness and propriety! What people like you have to
- understand is: This group is not some kind of shadow play, this is Real Life.
- You are talking to Real People. People who can be irritated, have their
- feelings hurt, be pleased, made joyful, and made furious. The same kind of
- humans that we've always been throughout history, except that now we have a
- quicker mode of communication. So we're allowed to be ruder now that we've
- entered an age where one can communicate in three seconds rather than three
- months? Bullshit. So we can allow a public group to be controlled by
- whomever gets there first? Bullshit. I would venture a guess that everyone
- who reads this group knows something about books, and would probably be able
- to contribute something useful to this discussion, however stupid it might
- seem to some others in the group. That's the purpose of this discussion, to
- get these elements out into the open. Everyone who reads netnews who's
- interested in something connected to the vague title rec.arts.books should
- feel able to contribute. Maybe this is too broad a definition for you. If
- you want a cozy little enclave where select like minds can commune, it isn't
- here. Go somewhere else. This is a public forum.
-
- Barbara, you and others have done better than I possibly could at
- illustrating the cliquish attitude among some contributors to r.a.b. The
- hilarious thing is, the few of you have no idea that, in fact, you've been
- living in a dream world. You believe that you've been existing in some
- exalted state, in some walled-off duchy in which you can make your own rules
- about who's going to discuss what, and when, and how. Let me tell you this
- again, because it needs repeating: This is the Real World! There are many,
- many different people reading this group, and lots of different people who
- want to contribute, and who should *feel* as though they are able to
- contribute, even though they don't belong to some "private club". If you
- raise a ruckus at their wanting to contribute, fine, be a jerk. If you
- insist that there's this bizarre "divine right of r.a.b." that all newcomers
- have to acknowledge, you're full of shit. Why is this so fucking hard to
- understand?
-
- Heather
- HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
-